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13 years ago 0 118 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
A modicum of success

 

For those of you who know me I would like to say I have had a modicum of success. One of the things that cause me to have attacks was going into buildings that simulated where I used to work a long time ago. My only chance to challenge this attack was to go to a support group once a week for one hour. I know this is not the way to do exposure work as presented in session 4 and 5 but it was the only opportunity I had. However, on Monday for the first time I was able to have a reduction of symptoms after the attack. This is the first time in 25 years that this has happened. It now gives me clear proof that all my explanations for the attack in the past were incorrect.  Before I started my journey, I did not know what a panic attack was and what symptoms it could cause. Now I can fill the thought challenge sheet and say that my symptoms do not last all day when I am in the building 100% of the time. I can know go into the building with the thought that the building is not dangerous and is not causing my symptoms.

Dizzy

13 years ago 0 118 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
A modicum of success

Ashley
 
One of the main impediments to going back to work was that I had to solve the building problem, becuase to be quiet honest I was unprepared to stay in the building 8 hours in a constant state of anxiety.  Although it is not completely resolved yet and may never be I see some light and doors opening that were not open before.  In my support group where I live we say we should plan from a sense of security and not fear. Before I had accomplished what I did I was looking for work where I would not have to face the fear of the building.  As you would say I was avoiding possible jobs that I would like to do in fear of the building, and settling for possible jobs that would avoid the building and becoming depressed about how I was giving into fear of  the situation.
 
 
Dizzy
13 years ago 0 118 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Rebuilding Your Self Esteem

 

Ashley

In my experience, there have not been many people in my life trying to give me self-esteem.  Another problem is that when someone did I would take what they said as disingenuous (I know this is a cognitive distortion).  In my support group I go to (and I am sure you are going to say this as part of your self-esteem thread) we give ourselves a pat on the back for every attempt at some cognitive restructuring. Basically when you have done a negative thought sheet and identified a more positive tilt on the thought, and you use this new thought in a situation. You use the positive thought to change your thinking pattern to an old negative thought or situation you pat yourself on the back for just an attempt at trying to change your old habit or thought. In this way you are not waiting for someone else to pat you on the back you are doing it yourself. A kind of funny thing happened to me I had identified that I should stop seeing the right and wrong in what people are saying to me. Every time I started to try to point out to my father my thought on a subject as being write and therefore his as being wrong I would stop myself from saying the statement. My father misconstrued this situation as I would begin to start talking and then stop because in had caught myself trying to prove what he said was wrong,  My father thought that when I was stopping myself from expressing my thought that this was anxiety an inability (brain freeze) to say what I wanted. When in fact I was changing my thinking to stop trying to find the right and wrong in trivial situations. Therefore, where I was changing my thinking using CBT the other person misinterpreted it as a form of anxiety.

Dizzy 

13 years ago 0 118 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
A modicum of success

ThanksTeebs
 
I had never thought filling out a after exposure it probably says to do so in the tool box but I have just forgot. I am going to take one next time I do another exposure thanks for your suggestion.

Dizzy
13 years ago 0 118 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
What went right today!

I pretty much have an attack everyday in bed in the morning. However I did not have one today I am trying to figure out the difference when I have an attack as opposed to the few occasions when I do not. However I am not going to dwell on the fact today and just enjoy a day with out an attack.
 
Dizzy
13 years ago 0 118 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
A modicum of success

Thank you all for your supportive comments
 
Sunny,
Davit,
Helena,
Teebs,
Red,
Ashley,
 
Dizzy
13 years ago 0 118 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Proof of Some Success

Teebs
 
Congratulations on your success from one overly analytical person to another. I noticed that you said you know longer have daily panic attacks but did. I still do in the morning but not to the degree that you do. This is the thing that really makes me mad I have done everything I can think of currently in challenging the morning attacks. The only conclusion I can come to from an avoidance perspective is that I have avoided going back to work full time. I am working part time. To me I cannot accept that this is the sole reason why I am still having morning attacks. One problem is now I know to much, about panic attacks and have all sort of scientific information to explain why they happen in the morning for me. Did you get rid of the daily attacks through a thought or through action. Perhaps it is still to early for me to stop having them. But I would really like to know what you did so I can analyze the heck out of it. Did you know that over analyzing CAN be one of the traits anxious people have. Over analyzing thing leads to all sort of negative possibilities but like Davit says it all about perception and perhaps I could analyze like you did in a positive way.
 
Dizzy
13 years ago 0 118 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
A request to read my blog

I know this is an unusual request but I was typing up a panic cycle post and found that I became to personal and long for a forum. I would ask anyone that has used CBT with some success to go and read my blog and respond to it. I need another persons eyes to give me some clarity. I would especially like people who have identified a person in their life as the cause of some of there problems. Also if an educator could take a look and reply or tell my blog, or tell me it is ok to put it as a post so they can then reply. Perhaps this is an in appropriate request in a forum it is that i have never blog before and so nobody would know that i have put one their know.
 
Dizzy
13 years ago 0 118 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Dizzy panic cycle

 

 I have been doing a lot of work on exposing myself to thoughts, because I have attack in bed and cannot do gradual exposure work like going near a crowded mall as a first step to being in a crowed. I either get in bed or never go to sleep again “which I have been considering” just joking. I find myself have epiphanies every couple of days I even went back to session 1 and 2 and got some new insight after working on myself for awhile. When I had an epiphany, I think this is going to be the answer to my attacks in bed.

What usually follows is a sleepless night anxious that I have solved the problem by finding that one last crucial negative thought. Being awake for a good, deal of the night allows me to ruminate about things and this is where I start getting into trouble. As the morning goes along and it gets closer to getting out of bed, I postulate that I become more anxious because I want to get out of bed without having an attack. Once this thought hits my mind this generally is the trigger to an attack. Imagine not wanting an attack causes an attack (I know someone in the forum got over attack by saying come on give me one), overall I am generally not afraid of an attack I score around 2 most of the time. Except on days when I anticipate that I have solved all the problems related to my attacks in bed, and have one, I get angry for having one which make the intensity go up on days.

So I started thinking what could I do with my time in bed when I awake that would be more productive then thinking about whether I solved all the negative thinking I need to, to stop the attacks. I started postulating that I could distract myself by thinking of a song or doing yoga in my mind. However, after reading session 6 you say not to distract yourself before exposure. I am having a hard time with this because I cannot expose myself to a moderate level of anxiety to going to bed in fact I probably have little anxiety when I go to bed it is just when I wake up that is the problem. Maybe I can get Michael Jackson doctor to drug me up to stay asleep, just kidding. I really cannot expose myself right now to much more thinking about wanting no panic attacks. I see it from both sides I want to go back to work so there lies the problem but if I never went back to work, I would still like them to stop, so I do not see going back to work as the problem.

I know one solution on the internet is to want to have an attack, in this way you are saying I am not afraid of you. For people that have exposed themselves to their thoughts or anyone with suggestions as what I can do, please forward a self addressed envelope that I have sent you and reply to post office box P.O. PANIC SESSOIN 6, just kidding again. I am wondering if anyone had success to exposing themselves to their thought as a way of eliminating panic did it stop abruptly or did you go 2 days then 3 and gradually get out of the panic cycle. I think one of my problems is I am trying to find that one universal thought that would stop them. I used to think once I found this thought that I could use it to stop all attacks from occurring in the future but I know this is unrealistic because the future always changes and so will my thoughts

Dizzy, can anyone notice I did not get much sleep last night

13 years ago 0 118 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Dizzy panic cycle

Davit as usual I appreciate your advise and I have been journaling since may this year even before I came to CBT site perhaps it is just going to take longer then I hoped and maybe that is one of my problems.
 
Samantha I have a question I was talking to my CBT about things you should not eat and he made an interesting point that the thought about eating something wrong may do more damage then the actual food depending on who you are. I do not mean to belittle your advice but can the same thing be said for a sleep routine that the thought that your doing or not doing something has more effect then actually doing it. I mean no disrespect becuase it has occurred to me that CBT in a way has made a danger about the way I think not that changing it will make anything worse. It is like goggling all the traits an anxiuos person has and finding that they all fit. As the same as finding medical excuses for you anciety attacks I know way to much thinking.
 
Dizzy