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The Addictive Voice

Hi Foxman,

Thank you sharing. I was looking at the 12 steps this morning and it certainly is a lot to take in. Your point about spiritual malady struck a chord with me and, as I began to research the topic and do some reading I began to feel uncomfortable to say the least. At first I thought it fairly scary but I decided to listen to my body and take that as a positive cue to dive into the subject in more detail. It does fit with what I've been thinking, of how I got to this point and how I can move forward, so thank you for giving it a name. I won't be so arrogant as to say my drinking isn't a problem, otherwise I wouldn't be here. I've quit drinking before for fairly long periods of time. When in my late 20's I chose to seek support through a variety of sources; drug and alcohol counseling, AL-NON, group programs, and it helped by openly discussing my problem. I had quit drinking for a couple of years and then fell back into it in varying degree's of consumption, stopped for months, started, etc but I never took the time to address the root causes, which I'm doing now. 12 steps is not out of the question in the future.

I was thinking about my drinking and it reminds me of that game we used to play as kids called Kerplunk. You know the one... get the plastic tube and cross-hatch the skewers in the plastic tube and fill it with marbles? Imagine those skewers are triggers or issues and all those marbles are drinks of alcohol. I can manage so many skewers and nothing really changes in my life by having 1 or 2 beers but eventually the longer I play the marbles begin to drop, 1, then 2, then 4 or 5, and before you know it the whole damn thing comes caving in in one fairly intense binge drinking session (sessions can last for a bit of time, i.e. a couple of weeks). I'm now at a restart point, where I can put the game back together and refill the marbles, ready for the cycle to start over. Perhaps those skewers include a spiritual malady? No doubt.

Thank you for the insight. It is very helpful and I will be giving it a lot of serious thought and attention. I hope my game analogy makes sense. My goal now is not to play the game. And I love a good goal :)

Regards

Dave
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Deciding when moderation doesn?t work.

You rock Turquoise! Excellent work. Way to stick to your resolve. Totally impressed.

Dave
10 years ago 0 1009 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
The Addictive Voice

Hi David,

My post was intended to stimulate a discussion and I certainly appreciate your input. I was planning to write a response to your post but I just needed a little time to digest it. You've made some excellent points and it's inline what I've been thinking myself. Like you I came from a family of where alcohol abuse was the norm. My only exposure to OCD is my brother-in-law, who has a wicked case of it. He has actually used as a strength and his OCD has driven him to a very successful business career. I can only imagine the strain that must put on you and how it feeds the fuel for that addictive voice. I was diagnosed with ADHD and I find that contributes to my situation as well. 

Please don't take it personally that I didn't respond right away. I felt the points you brought up deserved careful thought before I crafted a response and I definitely have more I want to say. The fact that you took the time to share your idea's and personal experience is sincerely appreciated and I look forward to hearing more about your experience because I know we can all benefit from it.

My apologies if my delayed response caused any frustration. The was intended to be a all-way dialogue for all those you wish to participate and share their ideas. It wasn't intended to be a blog but if that's what I created then "Cool!" I've started my first blog! 

Thanks again for sharing your thoughts

Dave
10 years ago 0 1009 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
The Addictive Voice

Hi David,

No worries and no apology necessary. I plan to respond but I need to gather my thoughts around the points you made.

It's all good and thank you responding to the post.

Regards,

Dave
10 years ago 0 1009 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
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Hi Elizabeth,

Very cool idea putting the stop sign on the wine bottle. I like it.

I was thinking about the past and drinking it up with friends and family. I wish I had the fore-sight to have someone video tape me when I was completely in the bag during one of those Saturday night parties. I have no doubt if I watched it later when I straightened up I would likely not want to drink again. :)
 
Keep up the good work!

Regards

Dave
10 years ago 0 1009 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
The Addictive Voice

Hi David,

You asked if the mind or will power plays a bigger role in this cycle of alcohol abuse. I would say it's the mind, as I see will power as component to the will, the same as the capacity to lift something is a component of the strength and condition in my arm, or legs, etc. If I workout and develop my strength I have the capacity to lift more.

But let me ask you this.....how much does our personality type play a role in this dilemma. Let's take myself as an example: I'm what you would call a type "T" personality type, characterized by the need to participate in adrenaline type activities, an "adrenaline junkie" as it commonly referred to. I love to ride motorcycles, it's my passion. Spending time at the race track and dragging my knee around a corner is my habitat. If my bike will go 180 mph then I would prefer to go 190. I love when the tires drift on the edge of traction and I can power slide my bike out of a corner. As strange as that may sound I'm most relaxed and focused when I do that. When I ride my dirt bike it's the same thing, When I ride my street bike I ride responsibly but I see other riders who can cruise along at casual, consistent pace and I don't understand how they can enjoy the experience. I'm not speeding like a nut on the street but I brake later and slow down less as we ride down a twisty road. And after I ride for hours I feel SO relaxed. One thing that is common with people like myself is that when we go for extended periods of time without this "fix" from adrenaline depression sets in. I watched a documentary on big wave surfing and they all said the same thing. If they don't get their "fix" they are SO depressed. I find that creeps into my life in the winter months when I can't ride. Is it any wonder I would seek out the comfort of alcohol abuse to replace that feeling. I've never considered how my personality type has such a profound effect on my perceived need consume alcohol to replace this feeling but I do now.
 
Additionally, my personality is peppered with a little OCD, because when I get a goal in my mind I'll fixate on the details of perfection of the end state.
 
Yet these characteristics of my personality cannot be changed. I don't want to change them. They make me who I am and I embrace them passionately. They give me strength. However, I now realize that alcohol consumption doesn't work for me. It's a band-aid solution  in a futile attempt to bridge a gap that exists when I'm not in my zone or being true to myself.
 
Guys (and girls :) ), I know there are many more threads in this web that contribute to what got me here and I'm in the process of deconstructing the elements that gave rise to my alcohol abuse. It's quite the liberating experience and I'm loving it because I'm getting to know myself in a more personal way. And you know what? I like getting to know myself and accepting the good and taking responsibility for the not so good and taking positive steps to resolve those and quiet that voice. I feel happy.
 
Your thought's Dave? And all that want to discuss? 
 
Regards,
 
Dave
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The Addictive Voice

Hi David,

That makes complete sense to me. Thanks for your feedback. I have more to say on the subject and will respond later today.

Best regards,

Dave
10 years ago 0 1009 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
The Addictive Voice

Hi Foxman,

What are your thought's on how a persons personality type influences drinking behavior? I appreciate the whole AA support system and 12 steps but I'm trying to look at it from a slightly different perspective. AA definitely works for some, maybe not so much for others. Are you a type A, B...maybe T personality type? 

Also I'm curious, how long has it been since you quit drinking?

Best regards,

dave
10 years ago 0 1009 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
The Addictive Voice

Hi Foxman,

Almost 7 years! Quite an accomplish and something to be very proud of. Congratulations!
 
How has your life changed since you quit drinking?
 
Regards,
 
Dave
10 years ago 0 1009 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Deciding when moderation doesn?t work.

Hi Camiol,

The diary is an excellent tool. Be sure to make notes about how you are honestly feeling, both good and bad. I just reviewed mine and even though I have a lot of 0's over the last couple of weeks the real gold for me are the notes when I didn't and was over-indulging. It's a clear reminder to me why I've made the decision to quit drinking because it's a record of how bad I felt the day after. I just arrived at the hotel out on the east coast for a wedding. I'm by myself and the first person I saw in the airport was my nephew who immediately said he was looking forward to having some beers and partying it up with me. I told him I'm not drinking and he seemed a little disappointed but hey, he's 24 and this is part of his lifestyle. I 'm glad I checked my dairy because it became very clear to me I've made the right decision but if I didn't document my feelings I think it would be easy to deliberately forget why I'm doing this and considered having a beer. Thank god I made those notes. 

I have no doubt I'll come across challenges over the next few days but I won't drink any alcohol. It will take time to become comfortable telling friends, family, and co-workers I don't drink but every time I do it will strengthen my resolve.

regards,
 
Dave