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12 years ago 0 1853 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Hi Carmie, 
 
I'm glad to hear you are using and finding the information on this site very helpful!  The teas are a great suggestion to help calm the mind.  Such a treat to have fresh Lemon Balm Davit!
 
 
12 years ago +1 6252 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 1
Tetleys ginger mint. Comes in a nice little can and says soothe on the front and that it does. 
I grow Lemon balm which works even better but I can't find a tea without a bunch of other stuff in it. One to two cups of home grown Lemon Balm is equivalent to an Ativan for me. Works better if I take calcium with it but then I do need extra calcium, that I have figured out over the last few years. Tetleys Lemon Balm is horrible and not the same.

Davit
12 years ago +1 373 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 1
That is going to be the big challenge for me - Determining what is a symptom of my anxiety of what is a real condition. I am defintitely going to have to pick up ginger mint tea.  I love ginger.  I love mint - and I love tea! 
Well, thank you again - I visited because I was starting to feel a little dizzy and a little anxious - and your posts have helped (Your posts and some box breathing which I just read about!)  Enjoy!
12 years ago 0 6252 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Hi.

I find that when I'm tired I become more hyper vigilant and can actually feel the anxiety building. If I push it I get dizzy. Some times to the point of vertigo. Problem is if I'm busy I sometimes don't notice in time. Then I get to say " oh s..... you stupid a** you have done it again" I take some calcium and get a couple of cups of ginger mint tea to calm me and because I am probably getting dehydrated too. But that is it. No extra worry, no beating myself up. Just rest and pick up where I left off later when I feel better. If it is getting close to a panic attack and I can't talk it down because I'm too tired and fogged I will take 2 mg of valium and wait the fifteen minutes, waiting calmly for it to do what I know it will. I seldom have to resort to this but I will. I actually have the valium as a muscle relaxant, good for restless leg syndrome which I very seldom get too. 
The Trimipramine that I will take some times is an anti depressant but in the dose I take it is only good as a pain killer. But if pain is the trigger for my sadness then it still works right. 
There is a place and time for medication and my use of it has dropped dramatically over the last eight years. I contribute this to my use and understanding of CBT.

Since I'm retired all my days are weekends and I try to enjoy all of them. May I wish you the same.

Davit

Ps. What if dizzy is just a normal reaction to being tired and the anxiety is just a warning? Our bodies do have checks to shut us down. I could rattle on about how this works in the thought triangle.
12 years ago 0 373 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Davit -
I find it so funny to see our two cat avatars having this conversation!  I have always considered myself to be a positive and happy person.  I do believe that this is a great opportunity to better myself by becoming more relaxed. Since the day of my first post, I have had two great days. 
I still catch myself feeling dizzy which is my #1 trigger for experiencing anxiety.  I just read the section on Challenging Anxious Thoughts and those techiniques are helping me when I notice I am feeling anxious. 
I am a bit tired this evening and wonder if I am confusing being tired with being dizzy. 
I wish you a very happy weekend, Davit!
12 years ago 0 6252 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
carmie

You have a very good attitude. All through CBT techniques you will find three things. Attitude (feeling positive and wanting to do the right thing), perception (not only having the knowledge but looking at it in a positive way) ( yes you can ruin the best information by seeing it in a negative way) And most important, believing. Believing in yourself, believing you can do this, and believing you will get better. Really believing, not just paying lip service. 

The rest is just knowledge. Freedom is your if you really want it. It will be different though, it will be better. You will enjoy life more than ever having known the alternative.

Davit.
12 years ago 0 373 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Davit, I really like how you've explained things.  When I was talking to my therapist, I realized that I have a lot in common with one thing we don't like about our new car.  The warning lights come on too easily.  Hyper Vigilance is what I have in common with my minivan.  This summer's negative experience (having to go to the hospital due to dehydration) has caused me to feel anxious whenever I experience symptoms that are remotely similar to that episode.  Believe me, it is very unlikely that I will ever allow myself to get dehydrated again.  I carry a water bottle with me, always.
 
It is really helpful to understand what methods help in which situations.  I mention the supplements and such because I want to give myself every advantage possible. 
 
The bright side of my having this experience is that I now appreciate feeling peace and at ease so much more than I did before.  It is so great to breathe and to relax - I've become a big fan!
 
I'm really sorry to hear about your day but it is very impressive that know that you've been able to overcome what would have been obstacles for you in the past.  It is also inspiring.  Thank you for taking the time to share this story!

Have a great day - I'm off for a run (With my water bottle handy, of course!)
 
 
 
 
12 years ago 0 6252 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Hi.

The kitten isn't mine either but it looks like my old cat that died last year at 18. I have two more and they end up here once in a while.

Basically the cure for panic disorders is changing negative thought to positive. This is CBT. But things like poor calcium usability can make you low even if the test say not. Calcium supplements don't cause kidney stones unless you are prone to them. Certain medications and even some foods increase the tendency to panic. A combination can be all that is needed to cause normal anxiety and mild panic to spill over into an attack.

Panic is a survival thing and quite normal. It comes and goes. Hyper vigilance and a memory full of negative things is all it takes to cause an attack. Changing the two stops them.

Calming mantras, distractions and relaxation skills takes care of the first. CBT takes care of the latter. Healthy diet and supplements if you are low takes care of the tendency to panic. 

Information is the biggest key. Knowing why and what to do. Repetition gets it back to the top in memory where you can use it subconsciously like you are supposed to be able to do.
And it certainly does do that. 

I just spent eight hours in the hospital in very bad pain for a torn muscle in my hip. 
No anxiety even. Had to fill my car with gas on the way home, no anxiety even though I was having trouble walking. I should have been very conscious of my appearance and got anxious. Nothing, just did it and came home. 

Ativan is okay the way you are using it. I was dependant on it for four years at maximum dose and had a hard time getting off. It is a long storey. I don't use it anymore even though I still have it. Going to throw it out today. Two years off it says I don't need it.

Davit.
12 years ago 0 373 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Hi Davit - People call me Carmie (My husband's nickname is Sluggo and back when the internet was young, we had a joint email account - hence the carmieslug).  That is good to know about calcium.  I suspect that my diet is sometimes lacking in calcium - I should probably take a supplement. 
Good guess on the short term medication.  I carried it around with me so much that the name is faded on the bottle!  It's like a security blanket.  Since July I have taken 5 of the Ativan, the last one being last night.  I try to use the CBT that I've been learning, here and from my therapist.  Yesterday, things got a little out of control.  When I arrived home, I was covered in a rash from being so anxious.  I decided to try taking a shower to calm down and that didn't work so I took the Ativan.  Soon afterwards, I popped on the laptop to see all of you.  It is so nice to be calmer today!
I believe everything you've written about what worked for you and I am very hopeful - almost 100% certain that this is what is going to work for me.   I really like this group.  It's nice to be here!
PS - I have to confess that the cat in my picture is not mine - he looks just like ours but I didn't have a jpeg version handy that met the size requirements.  This photo was on my hard drive because someone said "Hey!  This cat looks just like yours!"  The kitten in your profile is adorable!
12 years ago 0 6252 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Welcome carmieslug,

Would that be your cat's name. Just guessing. Omegas do help with anxiety but it is probably the calcium in the bones in sardines that is doing the calming. I prefer the bones in canned salmon. I try to get at least a gram of calcium a day usually as O-cal. (oyster shell) When I don't I get edgy. I drink Ginger Mint tea also. Don't take calcium with Sleepy Time tea, it gives me restless leg syndrome.
I can't take celexa any more and it didn't stop the panic attacks anyway. Trimipramine works for me when I need it. Lowest dose also.

I'm guessing the short term med was Ativan. Docs hand it out like candy.

You are easy to read. In a major panic attack you would not be able to type or concentrate. Some pretty horrible things happen during a "full blown". May you never have one, I had them last three hours and leave me sick and wore out. For a whole year (give or take) I had one every night at around 2:00 in the morning. People talk about thinking they are dying, after a couple of months I wanted to, I just couldn't do it. I used medication as an adjunct to CBT but it was CBT that cured me. Information is the key. Knowing why attacks happen and how to prevent them. 

Hope you stick with us, CBT really does work.

Davit.

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