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i think maybe co-dependency could fall under dependent personality disorder. it baffles me that most people seem to just speak without any rehearsal or second guessing everything they say. i try to shut my brain up sometimes and just say how i feel and damn the torpedos. sometimes it works, usually it backfires because of the aggression. sheba, about expressing the same ideas over and over, in a way i think i relate. you think if you finally hit on the right words the sky will open up and the sun will shine through! usually though it feels like and i get accused of beating a dead horse. some people can just "move on" - how?
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I was reading this thread and made me think a lot. From your description I can say that my mom is co-dependent. She started with my father and ended with me. Only that I don't need her caring to much...
Communication is key. I know but I'm not ready to broke her belief that is doing only good to me...
As for inward thoughts... few yers ago I was talking to and convincing myself... a lot. Trying to convince that the other maybe are right and that I'm not worth as a person etc. But it is hard to lie to yourself. It works for a period and then everything blows out.
Some times I still try to convince myself but in the last period I try to listen to my instinct and try not to overthink. I don't know if this makes sense.
Often I'm aggressive in my communication especially when I try to express the same ideas over and over. Maybe is my fault. I'm not to good explaining things when I'm angry. Ehm...
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Hi Goofy,
 
Inward thoughts definately play a part in my communications.  If I'm bothered by something I've already had the conversation within myself.  I have analyzed the thing over and over, and I have become right.  That's if I have the time to mull it over.  If not it depends on where I am with my inner self on how I react.  Since we already know I have negative core values it is obvious how that goes for me!
 
I would like to figure out how to stop myself from doing this. Once my well thought out dialogue is out it is rarely correct - usually attributed to my negative core values and thought process.  I do have times when this has served me well and I have been correct so it's not a wasted process, problem is I never know when I've gotten it right.  I know that adding the challenging of my negatives is key, but it is an exhausting process.
 
As I read over what I wrote I see my passive aggressive patterns arising - I've already figured it out within myself (passive because I've bothered no one else to help me) and decided I'm right so that when I have the discussion aggression is there (I'm right after all and have everything figured out without you - thank you very much!)  No wonder I'm exhausted!!!
 
 
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Excellent question Goofy.
Members, what are your thoughts on our own inward communication as a reflection of how we communicate with others?
 
Breanne, Bilingual Health Educator
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Rose, ditto on what Mom of 3 said!  Thanks for the information.  Thank goodness we can re-learn - right?  I know I am not as effective communicating in some environments than in others.  I have a difficult time with confrontation, difficulty in large groups of people (I know that sounds weird as I have taught large classes) but my problem is in social situations.  I have difficulty communicating my feelings and differentiating my thoughts from my feelings. 
 
Mom of 3, I don't know where it fits into the diagnosis either.  I just know that is an issue I've had to work on my whole life.  I think it, maybe like self-esteem is just a symptom of a bigger problem.  Or maybe it's an entity of it's own.  But either way, you expressed some difficulties in communication with your husband.  I do agree with Rose that it is a symptom of co-dependency and I am right there with her on that - though as far as I know co-dependency is not in and of itself a diagnosis - yet!  I guess what I am trying to say is it really doesn't matter why we are this way, if it ain't working for us but working against us in our depression or in our life, we gotta fix it.
 
 I think the depression compounds the issue for sure.  It makes it more difficult to communicate.  I know when I changed my communication with my dad - eventually his changed.  When I didn't argue back, get upset by his unkind words, etc., then eventually those provocative statements and nasty remarks slowly went away. (it took a long long time, but was well worth the effort)  He wasn't getting the response he wanted.  I don't know who his next "victim" is/was, but it wasn't/isn't me!
 
I think how we communicate with our physician's is important in our recovery.  I think how we communicate to our love one's about our depression is important in our recovery.  And as we discuss in this place, how we communicate to ourselves.  Is our inward communication a reflection of how we communicate with others?  I don't know!  I'll have to think about that one! Rose, Mom of 3 any thoughts on it? others?

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Hi Rose & Goofy
 
Thanks for the info Rose - I don't do all that but it's pretty close and I know I'm passive-aggressive in my approach.  I don't always know which one I'm being because like Rose pointed out I've learned to veil everything.  I think I try to be passive most times, my aggression comes out when it builds and I can't veil it anymore.  I don't really know where that falls in the diagnosis but it's what I tend to do.  I rarely am aggressive to start, except in those instances where I've tried to veil and it has built up, then I can be downright hostile.
 
I think my husband suffers from alot of the same and that's what is making all this difficult.  He doesn't seem to see it in himself but he sure sees it in me.  He will then do the same thing that he complains about me doing, but not take responsibility for it.  If he does it isn't like I really get an apology.  Like I said I'm learning but things are painfully slow right now.  Thanks for your insights.  I need to read more about my passive/aggressiveness because I easily slip into thinking that I'm not doing things like that. 
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on communication from co-dependent no more: "many codependents have poor communication skills. we carefully choose our words to manipulate, people please, control, cover up, and alleviate guilt. our communication reeks of repressed shame. we laugh  when we want to cry, we say we're fine when we're not. we allow ourselves to be bullied and buried. we sometimes react inappropriately. we justify, rationalize, compensate, and take others all around the block. we are nonassertive. we badger and threaten, then back down. sometimes we lie. frequently, we are hostile. we apologize a lot, and hint at what we want and need. codependents are indirect. we don't say what we mean, we don't mean what we say. we don't do it on purpose. we do it because we've learned to communicate this way. at some point, either in our childhood or adult family, we learned it was wrong to talk about problems, express feelings, and express opinions. we've learned it was wrong to directly state what we want and need". 
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Thanks mom of 3, I am working on my counseling skills.  Like I said I communicate more effectively on here, no pressure, time constraints and plenty of time to gather my thoughts, ideas, etc.  I can leave it and come back to it.  It is a great format. I could wish to better right now, but that would be wishing my life away and unrealistic.
 
Learning to communicate effectively takes time too and unfortunately alot of energy.  There is pressure, time constraints and a seemingly hurried pace for a response.  However, you can leave it and come back to it. You kind of indicated that you did that with your husband after he smoothed his back hairs.  I like colloquilisms but am afraid that not everyone will understand KY lingo. ah reckon ah kin tipe lak ah tawk n' twood b' ard to unerstan!  Oops got off track.  I think that you and your husband waiting was a good start. 
 
I have a tendency to be passive in communication style or aggressive - and if I'm passive on the outside, I'm churning on the inside and vice versa.  I think I shouldn't have said that if I am aggressive, or I should be more considerate - even if I am angry.  I don't think there are any wrong feelings, but the way people express them that is the problem.  I have a tendency to do just the opposite of what I feel and I very seldom am aggressive but more often passive (a doormat).  My psychiatrist wrote me a prescription it says "no, no, no, no, no, no, no, HELL NO".  He said I could get it refilled as many times as necessary!  lol, I haven't needed a refill yet and it's been over a year, but that prescription doesn't expire.
 
 

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Hi Goofy,
 
You really have a knack for counseling.  I'll have to look into how to label our communication styles and hope this gives me answers.  There was a long period of time where I didn't think/know there was a problem with how we communicated.  We had two discussions this past week - one Thursday morning which went very badly and was over a very stupid issue.  I had to challenge alot that day.  The second was Friday.  I did my best to explain but he was pretty difficult.  Later, after he smoothed his back hairs I was able to explain where my issue was and that it was not with him but the situation I was placed in.  In some ways there is progress, but it is slow.
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Thanks for starting this thread goofy.
 
Members, do you mind sharing your thoughts and experiences on communication wit goofy and mom of 3?
 
Breanne, Bilingual Health Educator

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