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14 years ago 0 517 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Hi Monique, that is great!! I'm glad you can reach out to the community... that is what I'd like to do one day to spread the word.
14 years ago 0 112 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Good for you! I am sure you will learn many good techniques and information at the seminar. Let us know how it went.
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Hi moni_q,
 
It is great that you have been working on relaxation programs and doing exercise. Take small steps towards your goals. Thanks for letting us know about the seminar you are attending, be sure to check in with us and let us know how it goes!
 
 
 

Samantha, Health Educator
14 years ago 0 3 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Thank you so much Davit!  I'm glad to say that I am having a much better week, trying to focus on the "what could's".  I have been working on relaxation programs and also doing exercise to get my heart racing a bit, just to expose myself to that feeling and knowing that I won't die.  It's small but at least it is something!

I also wanted to share that I am going to be attending a seminar on Thursday night put on by the Anxiety Society of Canada for coping with anxiety and post traumatic stress.  So I am looking forward to learning whatever I can, and hearing others stories,  and hopefully finding some more outreach in my community.

Thanks again for your words, it's nice to know about someone else who has been through this, reminds me that I'm not crazy :)
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moni_q

A couple of comments here. I would imagine that you have already researched panic. Agoraphobia is the fear of not being in control. It manifests itself in so many different ways that it is often mistaken for something else. (fear of driving, fear of exercise etc.) Having a debilitating or chronic disease or condition aggravates it. But doesn't cause it. ( I live with the pain and difficulty of Arthritis everyday plus right now Staph infection) I too used to be afraid to go anywhere because of how exercise made me feel. My heart would race and I was so scared I would trip and not be able to get up. To get out of this "jail", I had to finally just go for broke. When I start to breath too fast and my heart race, (from exercise not panic) I find a place to sit for a bit. I find it far better to go out even with the difficulty than to stay in "jail". Don't get me wrong, there were days I couldn't but at least I could feel good about the attempt. Note that this is all in the past tense.
Your Dad is right. Just don't do it then! But not quite that way! It takes time to learn the relaxation and coping skills. It takes time to replace all the negative thought with positive. And even then you have to learn to bury the negative thoughts that sneak in with so much positive that they can have no effect. Like piling sand on a fire. The heat is still there it just can't do anything so it eventually goes away. Panic is the same way. And just like this fire panic may flare up every so often till it dies. But die it will.
Unless you have been diagnosed with a mental disease, as apposed to a mental condition which panic is then you don't need the head shrinker. All the ones I know are so busy that they prescribe pills to control the problem rather than cure it. I don't blame them as curing it takes a long time. This is what therapists are for, and good ones are worth there weight in gold.
First you have to be able to relax. Breathing skills and distracting thoughts, mantras and visualization. Relaxation and coping skills overlap so you learn them together. It may seem like a lot of work for some thing you won't need in the future but right now it is very necessary. Knowing your triggers only lets you know when you are going to need the relaxation and coping skills. Some people get by never knowing what triggers there panic. They know how to stop it and that is the main thing. Making it stop.
So you have the dreaded "what if" phobia. The opposite side of that coin is "what could". What could happen. What could I do about it. What could be the worst thing that could happen. Turn the coin over. Think about it. What could be the worst case scenario and what could you do about it.
Action and reaction. For every negative there is a positive to counteract it. Learn some positives.
Stick with us. We can and will help. Post often. On the bad days vent, and on the good days brag. We are listening.
It is a proven fact that writing about it helps. Even me, who needs little help anymore. Writing to you reminds me where I used to be and how far I have come.

Davit
14 years ago 0 3 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Thanks for the support everyone!  It is what I need at this point.  Let me reply to some of your comments and questions.  I have been to my doctor about this when it first started over a year ago, he is who gives me my ativan.  I had been seeing a psychologist once a week and have been working on many coping systems.  I have some workbooks that he has given me that are similar to the program here so it is something I have been trying.  Unfortunetely, since becoming an 'adult' I have been removed from my dad's medical, which allowed me to see the head-shrinker with my dads company footing the bill.  But since I turned 25 in November I no longer qualify and have been on my own ever since, I think that I was I came on here, I find talking about it does help, and god knows my family has heard enough of it! 
I have good days and I have bad days and yesterday was a bad day, I just needed to vent.  I have never been a 'chill' person and I know that it isn't good for you so I have worked very hard on trying to de-stress and be more relaxed as much as I can.  And I like to tihnk of myself as a very logical thinking person so sometimes I just get overly frustrated that I get these attacks.  I am aware of them, I know that I won't die, I know what it is, but sometimes I still loose control when I get a bad attack.  My dad the other day said "well if you are aware of it just don't do it anymore."  But as much as I know and want to be in control they sometimes cloud my better judgement.
 
My triggers (that I know of) basically ahve to do with getting my heart rate up.  When my anxiety started it was the result of a medical condition I had that was a rare form of costochondritis, basically inflamation in your rib cartride.  Everytime I would take a breath it would streach out my ribs and would cause me alot of pain, like feeling like having a heart attack pain, which would bring on panic and difficulty breathing.  Long story short (or just not as long) I am still dealing with this condition but have developed panic disorder I think from all of this.  For months I could not walk more than a block from my house, sometimes walking up a flight of stairs in my house would trigger it, the second my heart would start to beat, that's when my whole body would freak out.  I have gotten much better, can be away from home now more, as you read I have gone back to school this year where as I had to take last year off.  Mainly I have the fear of having an attack right now.  I don't want to be far from home because I always am thinking "what if".  I know I have a hard time driving in rush hour, especially over bridges.  I just don't like being anywhere I can't 'escape' easily.
 
Anyways, I have written WAY to much, but thanks again for your input and inspiration to continue on!

14 years ago 0 517 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Hello Moni-q, welcome to the forum. 
That is surely one of the worst characteristics of anxiety/panic attack. Were you feeling anxious during class that day? Were you thinking about an attack? What I've learned from my anxiety is that my body was trying to tell me something... so it was good for me to get to know my anxiety better. There was relief for me after I started to understand it... and you don't need to get your old life back because you'll be making a better one from now. Please keep venting here because that is one of the things that helped me most. Best wishes.
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Moni-q
 
Welcome!  We are here to help and support you.  Begin working on the program.  You mentioned that you know what some of your triggers are. What are they?
 
 

Ashley, Health Educator
14 years ago 0 112 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Welcome to the site. I too am fairly new and am slowly trying all the info. here and at my group. I'm so sorry you are going through this, I know I'm going through it too. Have you considered talking to a mental health social worker or to your doctor?
It sure helps.
 
The people here are a true god send....very understanding and supportive.  Try it out and let us know

14 years ago 0 6252 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
moni_q

Good morning. You mention at the end of your post that you don't know where this panic comes from it just is. You can't find the trigger because you are the trigger. Simply put. A lot of what you do during any time is subconscious, walking breathing, going up steps. You have a better chance of tripping over your feet if you think about walking than just doing it. So you are just sitting calm and all of a sudden you panic. Why? well subconsciously you have done something that you did during a previous panic attack. It is like coming to a fork in the road. One fork is familiar one not. Which one do you go down. Well most likely the one you are familiar with. So this minor stimulus sets off a chain reaction as you  start comparing today's situation to the time you panicked. All subconsciously. Now comes the push pull. You are looking for where it came from and at the same time trying not to think about it because it will get worse. Push pull. Blurred vision, confusion, some physical sensations as what was a minor replaying of some past event has now become full blown "fight or flight". You are now full of adrenalin that needs to be used. Also since your system doesn't know what is getting it it doesn't know if it is safe to shut down, so it can't. You have gone from calm to panic and still don't know why. You don't have to know why. You can look for the why later, if you still want to. 
When that edgy feeling comes on you can accept that it is going to cause panic if you let it. Here is the place to use the relaxation, coping and distracting skills to get rid of it before it can become full blown. This is the time to say there is nothing here so there is no reason for your F or F syndrome to activate. Easier said than done. Yes that is true. That is why the program is twelve or so weeks. It takes time to learn the skills. It takes time to learn to build layers of positive thought on top of the negative so it stays buried. It takes time to learn how to deal with all the triggers so they can't control you. No magic bullet, just time and positive thoughts. Stick with it and us. The program works and we will always be here to help you with any questions you may have. I can't guaranty you will never get that edgy feeling again but I can guaranty you can learn how to kill it on the spot so it can't do harm. That in itself is the beginning of having it never show up again. By the way learning coping and relaxation is handy for other daily life stresses so it alone is worth it.

Davit.

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