Miki: That was a mouthful! But it was a very insightful mouthful. I gotta say, I agree completely...you can only help so much before you start bringing yourself down along with the other person. Sometimes it takes something other then us to solve a situation, no matter our intentions. Damn Miki, your perception, your whole attitude really has changed a whole lot! In a great way! Everything made perfect sense, and you answered my age old question of when enough is enough. Cheers!