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(I copied and pasted this from my previous post to help with remembering this week).
The nausea seemed to have subsided a bit. I had bought some ginger chews on the way home yesterday. Today I had bad OCD. Had songs stuck in my head the whole day. I know I will still have bad days even with the new med. I have had worse days, but I was not expecting to have 2 days in a row like this.
I had a moment of confusion/depersonalization yesterday morning. About 2 seconds. I thought it did not affect me too much, but I guess I was still spooked by it. Today's OCD was a possible residual from it. I felt a bit panicky today and I did take 3/4 of a 5 mg valium. I have been doing really well without it, but some days it is neccesary. The weather here the past 2 days is not helping. Very cloudy with storms being predicted all night and tomorrow.
I was successful in changing the song that was stuck in my head. It took a while but I did it.
So in retrospect, the nausea may have been a little bit meds and a little bit emotional.
David
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|  Oct 17, 2011 (10:55 PM) |
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Hi. You are going to have to figure out which kind of nausea it is. Mental caused by CNS side effects or physical from stomach irritation.
I used ginger mint tea to cover both bases and never figured out what was causing it before I quit taking my SSRI. (celexa) I had to quit, it was making me very sick and not working. Wrong medication anyway. I still have Gravol. But Gravol and valium are a poor combination, you will get very sleepy. Aren't those side effects supposed to go away?
Davit
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Hi Wrestler,
I just read you're post and I feel for you, my side effect of my antidepressant was nausea too. Maybe {hopefully} its NOT the med and just an upset tummy, I get little 24 hour bouts of that too and I am not on an antidepressant right now.
What I wanted to share is when I was pregnant Wrestler I had horrible morning sickness, the kind that lasted all day till late at night {if I was lucky I could eat late at night} and my OB-GYN told me, and I am not making this up, CHEETO"S, he said something in them cuts nausea, I was very skeptical and I tried it and it worked, just a few ounces helped. These are the harder crunchy kind that work not the "puffs" for some reason it worked and also he said to put a can of coke in the fridge opened up overnight and let it go flat and drink it the next day, I even got pure coca-cola syrup at the pharmacy but its cheaper too just let a coke go flat and sip it. 7-UP was good too but not flat. I hope you're nausa goes away soon, I hope I helped you, it helped my morning sickness and that was butt-kicker! I am still trying to recover too. Good Luck!
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Discovered another side effect of the med I am on: Nausea. It's really been bothering me the last couple of days. Been on the new med for just over three weeks and this is the first real sign of nausea. It was really bad today while at work. I did yoga tonight for 45 minutes and it helped me feel better, but once I stopped, the nausea returned. I even bought some ginger today to help with it.
Anyone else get these symptoms? I did read possible side effects, and of course, nausea was listed. Just did not expect it.
David.
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~m, I love it!
David, so glad to hear you are on the mend!
Vincenza, Health Educator The PC Support Team
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Thanks for that.
It was funny how I noticed I was Suessing... after I wrote it.
Had a similar day today. No major anxiety. Even did a couple of things that would normally scare me.
David
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Wrestler, What a great sign of health and well being
when sharing life in a Seuss-way of seeing.
Gives me a chuckle to read your reports;
To know you and the turtles have built healthy forts
against this disorder which worries us most!
You will survive I'm assured,
and will happily boast
of the hard work you do
to chase away all that is blue.
You are quite the success which brings us all....
great happiness!!!!
 (lame, but heartfelt... you are an inspiration!)
~m
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Just noticed my first paragraph had a bit of Dr. Suess to it. And it wasn't on purpose.
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Thanks, Davit.
I employed a bit of what you said yesterday and decided not to carry my valium most of the day. I did not carry it into stores a couple of times and did not carry it in my pocket during any of my inspections today. I did not take any today.
I also felt dissociation of couple of times and did not go running for the valium. I have not taken any since Monday afternoon. That was the day of the morning of my panic that did not really set me back.
I know this will take some time to really settle in, but I know I am making progress. The new med is doing some of it and I am really trying hard to keep the positive thoughts. It's safe to say this is a seritonin issue. Even bought a Rolling Stone magazine today with Pink Floyd on the cover. You cannot mistake the prism from 1973's "Dark Side of the Moon" album. I read the whole article during downtime in the truck between stops. I am a huge Pink Floyd fan.
OK, time for bed.
David
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Wow. I'm impressed, really I am. Some good positives in the shopping bag to build on.
Don't forget that if you need the valium to take it and then see how long you can go without it.
I think you are doing this with thought restructuring not just meds. You are definitely on your way now. You can do it. Now all it takes is patience to keep building positives and a healthy attitude for when the negatives try or manage to sneak in. Set backs are normal. Just as long as you get some positives in the bag the set backs won't hang around.
I remember my first day at school. I remember my mom squeezed into a desk beside me too.
I went from that to being a recluse at fifteen to back to social again. The mind can do some pretty amazing things if we let it.
A taste of freedom aught to keep you working at it, I know it did for me. You have the right attitude, and you do understand what needs to be done so now if you really believe you can do it you will. I'm not that far ahead of you anymore.
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Had a good day today. I decided to wait until I got to work to take my med. No valium today. Started feeling real good toward midday. Songs on the radio sound better when you're feeling good.
While I was at Whole Foods this evening, the anxiety tried to sneak in a couple of times. Even when I was checking out I just decided that I was not going to let it. I think I made some good progress today. I really need to work on my Monday attitude. Sunday night has always been bad for me. I had sleeping trouble on Sundays as far back as I can remember. I guess that was kindergarden. I was very attached to my late Mother. Had trouble going to school without her being there with me. This went on mostly during 1st grade. Separation from protection has always been tough for me. Had I not had to work Monday morning, there would not have been any panic.
And yes, I am noticing more clear thinking, being that I am taking less valium. I need to try as hard as I can to fill the bag up with good thoughts. I never wanted to take valium, but when my anxiety started getting really bad a few years ago, it was a stop sign. This was a signal that what I was taking for anxiety and depression was not working. That was when I switched to natural methods and the valium usage increased after a while.
Tonight I decided no stress. No workout. No yoga. Just spending time relaxing. Even working out can be stressful sometimes if it involves being obsessed with it.
OK, that is all for tonight. Thanks for all your insight. It really helps.
David
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Hi It stands to reason that if you reduce the valium that more information will get in. Being hyper-vigilant will get more of it into memory. Being hyper-vigilant will make more of it available. Now if you think negative still this is not good. But if you think positive when the load starts to build this is good. It is like some days when every thing is clear and beautiful. It takes a lot of information for that feeling. But put a negative spin on it and that same load of information can cause panic. It is a matter of perception. It is like being on a long drive. You can use the time to enjoy the surroundings or you can be annoyed because it is taking so long. Same information coming in. Two ways to treat it. This is conditioning. That shopping bag thing again. A negative tendency will make you dig right to the bottom of the bag if necessary. All this digging only adds to the anxiety. Where as digging and sifting through the positives adds pleasure. Same information in that corner of the triangle, how you use it in the thought corner dictates how it will show in the reaction corner.
Stands to reason that reducing the valium will increase the pleasure or the pain depending on your tendency. The SSRI is supposed to increase your positive tendency or at least reduce your negative. I really think CBT can reduce the need for the SSRI's help since I no longer need one which is good since I have no tolerance for them.
I'm aware of that annoying side effect you mention. I also found that if I focused on it that it got worse. It has a lot to do with the fact that what works against pain works against pleasure too.
Mental or physical. Some BP meds and pain killers do the same thing. Real bad when a person is taking all three.
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This just occurred to me. My short term memory has gotten a bit better. Perhaps the feelings from that may have brought on some anxiety. I was out of it for a while as I relied on the valium. Yesterday was the first day in more than 2 weeks where I needed more than a whole valium in one day. I consider that an accomplishment.
More later,
David
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Thanks again, Davit.
I'll write more later tonight. Have to get to work, but I wanted to check-in again real quick.
I have noticed one side effect is possibly is a sexual side effect. I hope it goes away. It eventually mostly did when I was on prozac from 1993-2003.
If you're right about the anxiety, I think it went away while on proac after a while. I was a lot younger than and less things to worry about. Things seem to magnify a bit lately. But I can beat it.
Talk to you later,
David
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If I remember rightly there can be a bit of anxiety up to the six weeks it takes to get maximum effect. I know that is the s.....ts but if you know it, it gives you a reason to feel anxious which is better than wondering. If talking to your wife works so well maybe talking to yourself like me and sunny do would work. If nothing else it is a distraction. Because I don't have to be anywhere anymore it is hard for me. (was) I have to force myself some times because I can go home but I know that is not the answer. Better to get it over. And there lies the answer. "It is my decision to do this" Nothing else. Nothing to panic over. "it is my decision". And then for added distraction I would add things like "I did it okay last time" "I'm tougher than this crap". Now of course the panic tries to sneak in and I would feel it. But by keeping up the distraction my Fight or Flight would have time to see there really was no danger. Symptoms would still be there for a few more minutes but this is where I reinforced the positive and rewarded myself with a smile by saying a few times. "I won I did it again" "It can't hurt me" Of course in the back of my mind I kept thinking bull. But that is okay because this little bit of positive is adding to the shopping bag. I found over time it got easier and I went from panic to "I won" faster. Till now I can do most anything with little anxiety, more like normal concern is all. I still don't want to which adds to the negative since I don't have to but I know so firmly that I can again that it is only a very little amount of anxiety. The other thing is that I know if all else fails I still have valium. Fifteen minutes and I will be fine. You know I don't even carry it with me anymore I have been so good for so long. I've had some form of anxiety for almost all 60 years of my life.
The anxiety built and built till finally It turned to panic attacks. It was unpleasant but I worked around it till the first panic attack. After that I had something top latch onto and fear. It has been nearly ten years since the first one. It has been over three since the last real bad one. The few after that were medication related and of no consequence. I did use an SSRI till I developed an intolerance to them. Then I used a TCA till I no longer needed it. I still have valium for when anxiety gets real bad (seldom) My reasons for anxiety are all physical. It is frustrating being disabled. (sunny doesn't like me saying crippled but some days I feel that way) Just like it is frustrating when there isn't enough money. The other thing is there was no anxiety as long as I was doing a job I liked. So for a while because I had to I would try hard to find something to like about the job. Some times all there was was that there was coffee and donuts next door to work. Or I was meeting some one for lunch. I guess even then I was using forms of CBT without knowing it to keep going.
Please keep us informed how you are doing.
You will notice it took me quite a while to get where I am but I was a wreck literally. It is worth it though to be pretty much panic free. Panic free and happy. I will never go back to the way I was and I can't see any reason I would that is how free I am. It isn't even a concern, conscious or not. There is no need for me to and I know I won't.
I'm off medication but for many it is necessary due only to the fact that they can't regulate seratonan. No big deal if a person can live with the side effects and many do. Many have none after the first six weeks. I don't think sunny has any side effects.
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