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Session 1 - How do you differentiate between emotion and thought?


13 years ago 0 1 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Hi,  This may be off topic but I am new and still learning how to use this program.  Why do drugs and alcohol affect panic levels so severely.  Also my panic thoughts are not about feeling like a heart attack but I think I'm going to have a stroke is this common.???
13 years ago 0 356 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Hi  ~m,
 
Samantha asked members to share how we worked with the program so I will share a little bit of my experience. Rest assured, you are not the only one who feels the way you do about how to start the program. 
 
I struggled to distinguish thoughts from feelings and I also struggled to identify different feelings at the start of the program often too. All of that does get easier as you work through the program. Some sessions were easier than others. I struggled with the exposure concept for quite a while myself. (that is later on in session 6 I think). It took me a few months to figure out how exposure related to me personally. My point is that every person is going to go through the program differently.
 
Identifying when you are having negative thoughts and negative feelings (anger, sad, fear) is a step. Don't give up! You can do this. Keep posting here with any questions you have. 

13 years ago 0 376 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
OK. Thanks Davit... your response really answers my questions point on.  I'm sure I'll have to read it several times to totally absorb it, but I think I see a little light in the darkness of my understanding. I think I "get it" ... that would be nice.  Thanks so much for your insight and clarity.
13 years ago 0 6252 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
~m

There are a lot of different CBTs, but yes it boils down to changing your thought from negative to positive. What you have to do is specific to you. The program is a guide to help you achieve this in the right order. Emotions are tied to thoughts and beliefs. Do you have emotions you want to change. Be careful in this aim, emotions are a necessary part of our life. Reducing there effects is a good goal but eliminating them is probably impossible and at best would not be a good idea.
Even the emotion anger which is negative is there to let you know all is not well. Better to feel anger than to panic because you don't know what is bothering you. Anger can be changed to sad and sad to happy with the right thoughts. If not happy at least tolerance.
What about instinct? If you read Attachment Theory, you will see that there is a strong belief that we inherit some of our patterns, basically an instinct to react the way we do and that we build on this. Proponents of this believe it can take three generations to break the cycle completely, in other words so you don't pass the tendency. But you can see then that being the case you can change this too even if it is instinct.
I certainly think there is a thought. This is not automatic like breathing, even though the thought might be repetitious. And with it being a thought you have the potential to change it for the better. Even PTSD is a thought or it would not be there. If you did not think about it, it would not exist. Not to say all you have to do to get rid of it is not to think about it, it is a lot more work than that.
Luckily thought can be negative or positive over the same situation.  A matter of conditioning.
Basically control of our thoughts to have control of our actions and reactions. The road to a cure. 

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Davit.
13 years ago 0 2606 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Hi ~m,
 
Those are some really great questions. Be sure to really take your time working through the sessions. Set aside a certain amount of time each day to focus on the work and once you feel like you have done enough put it aside. The basis behind cognitive behavioural therapy is to change how you think (congitive) and what you do (behaviour). The real focus is to work on improving how you feel in the here and now. The panic program here is a great way to work on this, there are excellent exposure activities and lots of great strategies to help you improve your state of mind now.

Members, what suggestions do you have for working through the program? What approach to the program worked for you?



Samantha, Health Educator
13 years ago 0 376 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Yes... I guess stress about the holidays... I can talk about that some more in the other thread on dealing with the holidays. 
 
Here, I just have more questions for you.  Are ALL emotions triggered by thoughts?  What about instinct?  What about emotions that are triggered because of PTSD?  Is there still always a thought (whether we are aware of it or not) that starts the whole process?  Is that the whole theory of how CBT works?
 
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Hi ~m,
 
Sorry to hear you are struggling. I'm glad you posted- as they say, there is no such thing as a stupid question! The forums exist for this exact purpose, to provide support and information.
 
I'll try to answer your questions. Physical symptoms can be the side effects of emotions, which are triggered by thought. We think a thought (I'm afraid of flying); we experience the emotion (fear); and we experience the physical symptoms (such as trembling, dry mouth, rapid heartbeat, etc). What is it exactly that you fear about the next two weeks? Lots of stress about the holidays?
 
 
 
Tiana, Health Educator
13 years ago 0 376 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
I'm confused and keep having to go back to the beginning.  I'm trying to figure out exactly where I started to get lost.  I've read through the first three sessions, but this one thing keeps sending me back.  I have been trying figure this out on my own because I think/feel that it is stupid to be stumped by the very first session.  I don't know how to tell what I'm dealing with... is it a thought or an emotion.  Trying to fill out the Anxious Thoughts Form and the very first question is Fear Level................  well, I'm feeling something really, really intense... definitely anxious and getting worse as I try to fill out the form and can't do it.  And I feel nauseated and my stomach hurts and my throat aches.  Is it fear?  Is fear a thought or an emotion?  I feel overwhelmed by life all of the sudden and not up to participating in the next two weeks. Is that fear or exhaustion.  is exhaustion a though or a feeling.  I really could use some direction here.  Thank you!!!

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