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13 years ago 0 118 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Ashley
 
I wonder if you could comment on what Davit said I have been told before that I should try to be friends with someone then if a spark is there then try to make an advance.  This is what I have been doing all my life and I think this is where a stronger sense of rejection comes from in me. The reason is I have invested time with this person and then decide to see if there is a spark, when there is not I have a greater sense of rejection then if I were to ask 10 girls out who are acquaintances. This is what I am hearing from you, if I go to a bar and  ask 20 girls for there phone number and one gives it to me then I don not experience the sense of rejection I do when I try to change the status of a relationship from friend to girl friend. I have no problem in having a relationship with girl that is just friendship but I think I get into trouble when I try to change the relationship. In your relationship tool box you say to be assertive, and say what you want, this menas to me that if I ask someone out on a date then my expectations are known and she can respond to them in which ever way she chooses. However, if I ask someone out someone as a friend and I think I may like this person the have I not been assertive becuase I am asking her out as a friend under false pretences.
 
No offence to you Davit I am just trying to figure where my insecurities lie and move on from there in the best possible manner. Perhaps your way is the best.
 
Dizzy
13 years ago 0 6252 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Ashley, Dizzy.

I'm an ugly duckling. At least in my eyes I am. Which made it safe for me to flirt, who was going to take me up on it. :-) The less I thought about dating the more opportunities showed up. I was just me, no bragging, no strutting, no drawing attention to the ugly duckling. I just became a nice guy to talk to. My advice. Forget dating and try for friendship. If there is chemistry it will become more than friends. The very least you will get out of it will be confidence and a bunch of friends.
I'm still an ugly duckling in my eyes, but I'm a lot of peoples ugly duckling. And right now I am someone specials ducky.

Good luck dizzy.

Here for you.
Davit.
13 years ago 0 11214 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Hi dizzy,
 
This is a tough one.  The truth is you cannot predict or generalize what anyone will think.  Some people may be less comfortable dating someone with a mental illness, others may not.  Some women have friends for life, others do not.  The trick is to simply keep working on yourself, keep being yourself and keep putting yourself out there.  There are a lot of good people out there and you will find them if you just keep working at it. Davit offered you some great advice and I think it is important to consider.
 
Now I am going to offer you a challenge, in the next week find ten girls you think you would like to talk to and ask them on a date. Do you accept the challenge? While you think about it consider this, I have heard from many people that the guys who get the most dates or are the luckiest in love are the guys who put themselves out there the most.  Not the most attractive, not the ones with the best job or the most charismatic personality but the guy who opens himself up to the most.  One guy I talked to actually said the trick is to not worry about rejection; so many people do and it really is self defeating.  So what if a girl doesn't want to go on a date with you?  Maybe she likes red heads, maybe she had a bad day, maybe she still has feelings for an ex, maybe she doesn't like the way you said hello, whatever the reason, it doesn't matter; don't take it personally and move on.  The more you try to meet people the higher your chances of meeting someone you like and who likes you back! 
 
Ok now after you considered my challenge I have to tell you I did not expect you to say yes.  I wanted to shake things up a bit and make you realize you really could consider going out and talking to 10 girls.  Is that what I think you need to do?  Probably not, but the point is you have a choice; when you really think about it, it really is exciting!  You can approach dating in whichever way you chose.  How do you think you could look at dating that would help to serve you?  How do you want to look at dating?
 
Ashley, Health Educator
 


13 years ago 0 6252 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Dizzy

I'm going to let you answer your own question by giving you one. You know me, you know I have a mental disorder, you know I have spent time in a psych ward. And you know I am intelligent. Put yourself in the place of a normal person If I was female and you were interested would any of the above stop you, knowing me as you do. I've been open with you. I'm not insane.

If your answer is no then you need to work on your insecurities. If it is yes then you need to look for the type of person that thinks like that. They are out there.

If your friend is picking women up that fast on a web site then it is not a dating site, we have another name for those sites. That is not what you want. I can't advertise and won't but I am on the best dating site that I know. I found that by doing this I got to see what women really think of disabled people. It will surprise you. I am on 50plus and love it. If you try, keep your handle short and come find me, I'll introduce you. It is not what you think. It will build your confidence up enough to get back into the real world. Call it exposure, I would call it therapy.

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Davit.
13 years ago 0 118 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
  

I have determined that one of my major problems is with relationships. I mean romantic relationships and friendships. My problem after reading relationships from the toll box is that I have sequestered myself away from most relationships. My biggest problem with romantic relationships is that I have been sick for a long time and unable to work. So I envision when talking to a girl that the question of “what do you do for a living” will come up. Then I met an acutance in a support group I go to who also has the same mental problem as me and has not worked for a while. His experience is, he joined a dating site and gets in touch with the women from the site and then goes on dates with them. So I asked him what do you do about “what do you do for a living question”? He says he does not discuss it or he talks about what he used to do.  I thought great it is just my perception that I am afraid of a question that is not important. However, upon further discussion with him he told me that he only goes out with these women for three to four times and then goes onto another. Then I elaborated that I do not want a three date friend that I need to develop friends or girl friends that will be with me in the long haul. He is also trying to get back to working full time as am I. So then, we started discussing what kind of girl friend would be best for use. He said what I have thought all along, that he is looking for a girl after he goes back to work that does not have the same problems we have. I see the benefits in being in a relationship with a supposed normal person (I know there is no such thing) but some one that is more stable then I am. Here is my experience so far in my life, when I was in high school I had friends who I lost when I went to university. Then in university, I had friends who I lost when I went to work. Then when I got sick I lost all my work friends, and I know in the relationship it says it is a two way street. I also have tried to maintain contact with them, I did try several times to phones them and there were always busy or whatever so just gave up. I seem to have the impression that so-called normal people do not want to associate with a person with a mental illness especially one that is not working. This is not an unprecedented opinion as I was on the board of a mental health agency where we discussed that stigma and discrimination is one of the biggest problems people with a mental illness face. I have been trying to establish friendships with people even before I read the toolbox on relationships. I asked a girl out and made it explicit that I just wanted to go out and have some fun and that I did not want a girl friend. She said no, so naturally I read her mind and determined her answer was because I had an anxiety problem; (this certainly is where one of my problems lie in interpreting other people’s response to my question). I was wondering what women feel about this problem do they think the same way I do. Which is that normal people do not want to be friends with a mentally ill person, also that I think it is a man’s experience to be friends wherever he finds himself at the time. The reason I think like this is evidence driven my two closes friends in high school do not associate with any one from high school or me. It seems to me that when a woman makes a friend that they are friends for life, (of course, this could be my false perception). I do not mean to offend anyone and I am not asking for personal experiences. One last note is that I notice that the same people have been posting a lot to each other the reason I have been contributing to posts is that I have been spending a lot of time thinking about my false core beliefs and false thoughts. I fact as Davit suggested to me one of my biggest problems may not be situational but that I need to expose myself to the thoughts I have so this post is exposing myself to, I hope false beliefs, or depending on your answer I will have to come up with an alternative view.

Dizzy


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