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15 years ago 0 1693 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Thanks for sharing this with us trixie
You are a true inspiration,
 
Breanne, Bilingual Health Educator
15 years ago 0 28 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
I wanted to add my thoughts to this thread...  I've had panic attacks off and on since I was 16. Actually, I haven't had that many attacks, but my fear of attacks really kept me from living my life.  Twice in my life, I was nearly housebound with fear of an attack.  I have never taken meds.  Since the time of that first attack 30 years ago, I have gone through large stretches of time with no attacks, no fear (like years of being panic/fear-free.)  

Everyone is different. I've never taken meds because I've never felt that they addressed the real cause of the fear and attacks, and until I changed how I thought, the meds wouldn't help me.  What did help me after the first housebound episode, was doing my own CBT (without realizing what it was.) I was 16, and it was in the 70s, and I had no way of researching what I should do. BUT.. I knew that I didn't want to spend the rest of my life in this tiny little world I'd set up for myself, dependent on everyone and feeling embarrassed.  So, one day I walked out to the mailbox. Fine.  The next day, I walked to the corner.  Did that one a few times.  Then, I walked a block. Did that a few times until it felt familiar.  Was I scared? Yep! But I kept trying it until it felt comfortable and familiar.  Then walked to a nearby restaurant, and did not go in.. just sat outside.  Then went inside and asked for a to-go menu.  Another time used the pay phone. And so on, until I was walking several blocks to the drug store and shopping.  My own brand of CBT worked apparently, because it was only a few months later that I applied for, and got, a job hostessing at that restaurant I was afraid to go into!!   I went several years like that, with no limitations.  

When I hit a stressful point in my life, I had an attack and the fear came back. Not to the extent it had before, but I was making life decisions based upon my fear of an attack again!  I found that for me, changing my life situation made a huge difference.  There are many people who have these agoraphobic issues and panic issues when they feel trapped or or overwhelmed in their life.  

So that has been my pattern in life. But with no meds.  In the in-between years I have done everything the way someone without panic would. Had the most amazing experiences...  but I've learned that when I shrink my world, and get out less and less, or am involved with someone that overpowers or controls me, I revert back to those fears.  I am really enjoying this CBT program because it's so well structured, and reinforces the messages I give myself when trying to shed these lasting avoidance behaviors.  

Only a doctor can tell you what med is right for you, OR if you need them at all. But.. if given the chance, I would highly recommend doing a CBT program like this first, because we often just need to train our thinking into stopping ourselves from talking us into an attack out of fear of an attack.  

Hope that helps.  Oh, right now I'm living a pretty full life... but using this program to really take care of those lingering fears that hold me back (like shopping in big box stores, public speaking, etc.)  I know that my fear and avoidance of those things are holdovers and habits of mine now. I'm seeing results already in this CBT program, and am hopeful.  I just can't stress enough that you'll want to look at your life and any control issues (aka, are you feeling controlled in any way?) as you work through this CBT program, or get into meds. 
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Thanks for the thoughts, brandie...
 
I guess I will get on the Paxil...i hadnt really had any symptoms for at least a week, by taking .25 xanax or maybe .50 almost every day...and had no xanax yesterday at all, when i got home at 10 pm or so, and then bang, the feelings start to hit...the biggest one being i just cant get comfortable...have to stay on the move, walking around or doing push ups/sit ups, or whatever--including  box breathing, and such, but the biggest thing is it is not a normal feeling.  And not one I ever had until two months ago...
 
Anyway, pop .50 xanax and eventually they subside and I can get to sleep by 1230...
 
My thing was maybe to just contain them by using xanax when needed, and maybe with my week-long stretch of having none, maybe they just go away, but apparently not.  I assume some of the reason for having more is being anxious that u dont get one in the first place--and that becomes a cycle..
 
So my doc said get on the Paxil, that can "cure" you--Xanax will only ever be a "masker"...So i suppose I will brave the side effects and withdrawl effects and go on it...thanks for reading!
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Hello Titans88!! Welcome to the forum, it is a great place to talk about your feelings with other members.
 
I will tell you a little about my medication story. With my first anxiety attack I was prescribed Xanax .25 mg.  Worked very well but very short lived.  After a month or so I had to take one and half to get the same relief.  All in the meantime I was trying different medications which was really just intesifying my anxiety. I knew right away they weren't for me. I tried Citralopram first, woke up the next morning with my first panic attack ever. Scared me to death. Then I tried Luvox. Could not sleep, dreams were horrible, even the Xanax could not touch the anxiety unless I took .50 mg. So I quit taking the Luvox after 6 days. I could not handle it anymore. Doctor took the Xanax away and gave me klonopin. Said Klonopin is still addicting but easier to wean off of. At the same time I started paxil for the second time in my life. I say second time because I took it for depression, mood swings, trouble sleeping, and body aches. I had to get off it when i got pregnant. I had no problems weaning off it. You MUST wean off it or your head will feel very strange. Even if I missed two doses in a row, my head would get these electric shock feelings.
 
Ok so now i'm taking paxil again (for anxiety this time around) and have come a super long way with my anxiety. I no longer need Xanax or Klonopin every day. I still have the anxiety but much less intense except for my time of the month. For two weeks my anxiety is real bad and I do need a klonopin just about every day. But it is still not as bad as before the Paxil. It took about 3 weeks and the vast majority of my symptoms were gone. I still get the heart palps, but i'm not so scared of them anymore. I still feel like i'm jumping out my skin, lightheaded, and a few other minor things but i'm able to cope much better.
 
Now I want to you to realize and you must realize this. Not all medicines work the same for everyone.  Paxil may intensify your anxiety in the way the others did for me or it may work right away. Do not give up if you decide to try medication. You will know if it's for you or not.  With Paxil I had no increase in anxiety when I began taking it, but did with the others and I was not going to let anyone tell me to stick with it and see if it subsides. I knew it was making my body worse. A little increase is one thing, but when you are strangling your cat cause he won't shut up, you know it's not right. I'm serious about that. My poor cat, problably wondered what the heck was wrong with me.
 
Anyways don't give up, but don't expect a quick fix cuz meds take time to work and even then very few people have had complete relief. You will still need to do relaxtion exercises and talk with a counsler or pshychologist to help you feel good. I still have days where I just think I will never survive this, but I do. I don't do everything I should be doing and have had success with medication and maybe you can too. In my opinion medication is needed to help you learn to cope with the effects of anxiety thus making it easier and not so scary.
 
Sorry to ramble on, but I hope this gives you a little insight on medication.
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rob,
 
We define CBT as an application of the cognitive behavioral perspective. A number of specific cognitive and behavioral therapy techniques are employed to challenge and alter thoughts and behavior. CBT will be explained throughout the sessions here but the main focus is connecting your thoughts, behaviours, and feelings to one another.
 
As you begin to complete the homework and feel a greater understanding of the material in session 1, you are welcome to move onto session 2. Although we encourage members to complete one session per week, the sessions are designed to be completed at whatever pace the member chooses.
 
Members, what has your experience been with CBT? How has it been helpful for you?
 
 
Sarah, Health Educator
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Thanks for sharing. I am so impressed with you girls. After 7 years, do you think I can get off the Lexapro? Every time I try the attacks come back in full force. I am on section 1 and doing the homework each day. Should I just keep moving on with the lessons. I'm still confused over the CBT. Will it be explained more later?
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Hi Ya All:
 
Just wanted to put my 2 cents worth in about CBT.  I too was experiencing an overwhelming amount of panic attacks, about 5 - 6 a day & on a scale of 1 - 10 they felt like an 11.  I suffered like this for 5 months before my doctor referred me to a psychotherapist for CBT.  I used to be terrified of the wind, sitting on the porch, the clouds going in front of the sun, going on the subway, the streetcar, you name it I was terrified of it.
 
After 4 months of CBT, without meds I might add I was able to master my panic disorder.   So there is hope for people to conquer this even without meds, if they choose, but you have to be willing to perservere. 
 

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Karen and all:
 
The breathing seems to help to relax along with progressive muscle relaxation...my problem is not depression or generalized anxiety, its a "bang out of nowhere for no reason panic attack"
 
Ive got the Xanax, and the doc gave me scrip for Paxil, but havent started taken it, as im worried about those side effects--heard many "rough" things about Paxil.  My thing is that if the Xanax works (last few days taken a .25 mg pill at noonish, and maybe another or a .50 mg pill at 9 pm or so)--and it has for the last few days...is there a reason to get on Paxil too?
 
Is Paxil the drug that will "cure" me of these attacks, or just a "masker" like Xanax? (as in stop taking Paxil--attacks start again)  Would love to just try some lifestyle changes, some CBT, and have the xanax as needed...Ive never been on a scrip for drugs in my life (and im 44)....
 
Thanks for any replies
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Titans88,
 
The drugs you have mentioned act on different areas of the brain and target different neurotransmitters.  Xanax should decrease your anxiety and Paxil provide relief from depression as well as generalized anxiety.  Hope this helps.
 
How is the box breathing and progressive muscle relaxation coming along by the way?
 
Karen, Health Educator
15 years ago 0 406 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Rob,
 
Welcome to the Panic Centre Online Support Group.  You can get in direct contact with members by adding them to your Instant Messanger list.  Go to the Forums and click on the launch button and start adding!
 
The panic program is 12 weeks and each session is based on the previous session, so we strongly advise that you work slowly through the program and not jump ahead.  The program includes many tools and activities that will help prepare you for exposure work...please take the time to look over them and feel free to contact us with any questions you may have.
 
I recommend you speak with your doctor about going off your medications, but as you have indicated, they are taken only when needed. 
 
Please continue to strive forward and lean on us for support.  We are here for you!
 
Karen, Health Educator 

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