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Am I just totally immature? Is this going to get easier?


9 years ago 0 421 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Hi Kez--
 Yes, we need to keep a mental list of the things we do to stay on the right path.  I looked back at the rational recovery site today to keep my focus. I love the part about how our family didn't sign up for this...they don't deserve to be "waiting for our next "relapse".  That's where I'm at. I can see my loved ones eyes when they asked me to not drink to excess or at all.  If I think of that moment...the pain and near tears...it's just kills me. That's some motivation to not be a jerk.  Another thing is I like not feeling like a fraud.  When I was drinking I felt like all my life was a big cover up....like I was a huge fraud. Thinking about getting my booze, deciding where to buy it, hiding my booze, finding peace to drink, pretending that I was not drinking when everyone knew I was,  dealing with the after shock the next day, dealing with the hangover, thinking omg what did I do last night that I don't remember...... It's a full time job. I hated it.  I felt honestly that my friends and family would be better off without me.  That yes, they would hurt for a while but, ultimately they would be better because they wouldn't have to deal with me.  That if I checked out now, maybe they could remember me in a good light....WHAT WAS I THINKING??? The answer is I wasn't thinking my AV was doing the thinking for me. And let me tell you AV isn't someone you want thinking for you.  But, when we live in the cloud of booze, the haze even if we are sober for 24hours....we really aren't sober because it's still in our brain. It's still in there digging away at you....takes time then you will feel better, then you will be like I cannot believe that was me.  I think Jakelad called that a "remember when".  I love that term.  Becasue if I remember when---like I just did in this post---I never ever want to go back. It was a hell of a life and I was taking everyone with me. One more week, one more month i would have been gone. I know that like I know my own name.
 
Hang in there Kez, be kind to yourself. If you were talking to a friend you'd give them a hug and tell them to not feel guilty to be proud of where you are now.
 
So, with all that said, Kez---guilt and (as Dave told me once) it's close cousin shame are bad for you.  They will open the door to your AV and try to suck you into feeling like you are a bad person like you which will make you feel bad and open up the circle of drinking again potentially.  
9 years ago 0 94 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Thanks ND. And what the focus should be on is what you do/what steps you've taken to change to avoid repeating your mistakes. Sometimes it takes a few tries lol... 
 And recently, I have taken all the positive steps that are within my awareness. 

Guilt can be a real pain. 
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Oh, and Kez, it will all get easier in just a few days. And the world will seem clearer. Trust me on this one.
9 years ago 0 421 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Kez,
You will feel better when you can let go of guilt and accept that we all make mistakes. Guilt and self hate gather steam when we roll those thoughts around in our head. We all have our less than proud moments.  It's where you go from that on to the rest of your life that matters.  I had a period of time when I felt self hate for the moments I missed with my kids when drinking and the mistakes I made with everyone watching.  If we learn to love ourselves and accept that everyone and I mean everyone has moments in life they want to rewind. Can't do it, can't take it back. Don't keep reliving them. Dump the thoughts, be proud of turning away from something you know will hurt you.  Besides....who wants to live with those crappy hangovers? Really!! We stop drinking when we love something more than the alcohol.  In your case your 3 yr old and husband. 

You know what is really freeing? Waking up and remembering what you did last night. Waking up and not throwing up. Waking up and knowing your skin will glow, your smile will be brighter and you will feel healthy. 

Kez, you are doing a great job at this!!
9 years ago 0 94 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Nodrama!

I'd wondered where you went (although I figured you just hadn't been on as much lately). This place is so dynamic and supportive with you, TS and Dave around. :)

I'm really glad you both see my mother figure's behaviour as based in her own insecurities. I'd never really looked at it from that angle, although I did become quite aware over time that she has a lot of insecurities of her own. I was an obsessive athlete when I was younger, and my teachers and coaches always wanted nothing but the best for me. They made me better than I ever would have been. By the end of high school, the only time I wasn't drinking was when I was near them. I guess I thought she had that intuition since she works with college students (although she drinks with them too....hmmm first red flag lol).  I always just figured my concerns weren't important enough or were deemed excessive, or that maybe she just never 'saw' me the way I thought she did. All of which are thoughts that are nothing short of devastating when they face off with my core beliefs.   I demanded more than she was able to give, even though I never felt I was doing it by choice.  It is a poor pattern of coping because I never learned how to calm myself in a healthy way. 

The things you read about surrounding yourself with people who make you feel good really rings true these days. I want her to actively care about me, I want her to actively participate or at least acknowledge my efforts, I want to feel as though I have a rock to lean on and that I'm being heard, so I continue to ride this dead horse to fight off the overwhelming feeling of rejection that is really just the kid in me that won't bugger off.. But time to shift gears - I'm a big girl and I DO have people in my life who are interested in pursuing a healthy lifestyle  and who understand what it means to work hard, make significant life changes, and feel that sense of accomplishment. I think when I can stay away from alcohol for long enough to get myself back, I will realize that I don't "need" anybody - that I'm just fine with what I have and who I am. And i have somewhere to go when I need to :-)

ND I hope you're right that I will start to see myself as interesting and fun without alcohol. And TS I think you're right, starting a thread about how we proactively deal with stressors and triggers is a great idea.  As alcohol users I think we are all very good at acknowledging the negative and the destructive, and when we do something to proactively and positively to cope with a stressor it should be acknowledged and documented so it can maybe "sink in" and inspire others.

Thank you all. Onward and upward :)
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Hi everybody! I've not posted in some time but, I have to say that this thread is really inspiring.  Kez, you did an awsome thing by making it thru your night with the family ----congratulations on being strong. TS I also love reading your posts-- you are so supportive and inspiring.
 
Kez, I have to tell you that I agree with TS in that your "mom" figure was acting out so to speak. She probably does sense that she has her own problem and if you've always treated her as a mother figure, well, she might feel threatened by your new resolve. Like she's not the athority any longer. Do you know what I'm saying?  Just my take on it.  Her lack of judgement with the 14 year old was--I agree--an attempt to prove that drinking is so "safe" even a child can do it.  I also understand about wanting to feel loved, wanting to feel a sense of belonging.  If we have felt like an outcast or uncomfortable at social gatherings and alcohol has been our crutch so to speak....it's hard to keep going, stay the course and keep that jerky AV our of our heads.  I believe that the AV is our own negative selftalk.  Once you are free of alcohol for a while you will start to feel proud to be yourself and you will see that you are interesting and fun and great to be around  and don't have to be the life of the party.
 
Keep up the great work Kez it's worth it to be free in your life.  And alcohol is a prison....it truely is....a prison of our own making.
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Hi Kez,

Your warm words have me overwhelmed! Thank you!

It’s always unnerving to read of the many dysfunctional family situations out there. Your mom was likely never taught how to manage her emotions, stress invoking situations or had an effective model to emulate.  It is unfortunate that so many people lack the coping skills necessary to manage their lives effectively. I’ve often maintained that the school system fails society in that they do not teach the basic life skills like conflict resolution and redirection. Certainly the need is glaring and it escapes me why something so inherently important is overlooked.

Kez, despite your rocky formative years you’ve done so very well for yourself. You had the intestinal fortitude to complete an impressive education, find yourself a good job a wonderful partner and have a lovely child. Look at your offspring as an opportunity to be the type of parent you yourself have described and would have desired.

When the old fight or flight mechanism kicks in during stressful events its easy to understand that the natural response is to reach for something to calm you. I was terrified of and totally intimidated by my husbands family. They were perfect in every way (or so they told me).

Each one of us has a story as to why we are here. The common thread is “stress.” Clearly most of us are pro’s on maladaptive approaches. Perhaps we should devote more of our energy in learning how to proactively deal with all the various forms of stressors in our lives as Ashley mentioned. Maybe even start a thread under General Health and Well Being and see what happens.

Continue to take those tests Kez I know you can pass.
 
TS
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Hi Kez,

First of all, congrats on getting through the night. Truly, amazing work. Despite feeling as you did you still stayed the course! There is no need to apologize at all. You were dealing with some very difficult feelings and I can certainly see how the experience would dishearten you.
 
It sounds like a drinking trigger for you might be anxiety in social situations. You may benefit from learning some ways to manage the anxiety. Once you have some tools that work for you then you will be less reliant on alcohol to help you "open up". One good place to start might be our sister site www.paniccenter.net. Even completing a few of the sessions might help you better understand how to control the anxiety. You might also want to look into mindfulness and other evidence based strategies that help with anxiety. Also, some of the beliefs you have when you are around family, "I am boring" for example; sounds like a damaging negative core belief. Core beliefs are developed at a young age and act as a lens in which we see the world through. To learn more about core beliefs and other Cognitive Behaviour Therapy terms related to depression check out www.depressioncenter.net.

It is very common for individuals who have other mental health concerns like depression and anxiety to turn to substances to self-medication. Now, I am not saying you are depressed or that you have an anxiety disorder. But what I am saying is you may benefit from checking out some new ways to manage the feelings you are having without having to turn to alcohol. What do you think? 

Ashley, Health Educator
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Hi Kez, I do feel it's getting easier, but very slowly. The nagging alcoholic voice is no longer there, every second, but sometimes it's back with a vengeance, argh! I spoke with my brother in law, a rec. alcoholic for 4 years now, and he said if I start drinking again, I'll most likely drink more than I ever did. That thought scares me, because I know he's right! I was a huge binge drinker, and I can't imagine drinking even more than I already did. I feel I already should've been dead, to be honest. I am also a bit shy, and hid behind my drinking in social situations. Even family events are stressful for me, but going through Christmas and NY Eve without the help of alcohol is showing me that I don't need to use it as a crutch, and I tell myself I should stop caring so much about how other people perceive me. I've always been very hard on myself, my own worst enemy, and I've decided I need to give myself some slack :). Hang in there, Kez!
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Hi Nicoline,

THANK YOU and congratulations on making it through the Christmas season without a drink! That's probably one of the hardest tests out there. Trying to curb urges takes a lot of energy and planning and investment. I find it overwhelming at times when my son needs me, my dogs need me (high energy!), I want to be a good wifey, and I am devoting so much energy inward to stay strong. It's hard to have that much to give, but I try to convince myself of what you wrote - that it's ok to be selfish for a little bit for the longer term outcome I'm hoping for.  Do you find it's getting easier?  I have a lot of trouble because I'm very shy by nature and socially anxious. So without alcohol I don't even have a leg to stand on. I'm so grateful for this place because I can write faster than I can think so at least that's an outlet. I LOVE the trampoline idea - exercise is the best medicine in my books. And I do the tea thing too! :)  I try to tell myself repeatedly that my kid is counting on me. I know I'm in this mess partially because I never felt safe communicating with my own family and need to break that cycle. We'll all be here in 2 weeks when you go to the reunion - and if you pass that test it will only make you that much stronger.  That's what I told myself about last night and I hope I was right.
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