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9 years ago 0 11214 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Great thread Nodrama..
 
Paying attention to your mindset and the toxic thinking that can sometimes pop up when you are fighting an addiction is an essential part of healing. I think it is awesome how you all talk in depth about this. Challenging these old thought patterns is what will keep you strong. Awesome work.
 
 
 
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9 years ago 0 421 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Hi there! Yes, I think you have to deal with the emotions or they do just sit and wait for an opportunity or weak time to jump you. And I agree that not drinking is the only way to clear your head.  It's amazing how even a  little bit of alcohol can mess with emotions/thinking.  I think it is poison to our brains/bodies.  What a bleak life is that of a constant drinker. The days revolve around planning and plotting to drink. I like what you said Dave about the AV really us talking to ourselves.  I think negative self talk is just as powerful as positive self talk and our AV is a prime example of negative self talk but, yes, we develope it as a means to try to handle whatever we are dealing with at the time we create it.
 
"We did the best we could with what we had at the time..."
Dave, that makes total sense and it  is so true. I think so many maladaptive and addictive behaviors are developed when we didn't have the skills to deal with the situation we were being faced with. In my life I am haunted by a need for acceptance and as a younger me a constant reassurance and desire for love fuel my bad behavior. I have always had a problem accepting that I'm worthy of love--until now. I always felt like a cast off of life. That kind of thing drove my drinking.  The need to be accepted the need to fit in. Then it takes on a life of it's own and you don't realize why your doing it---BUT---as I've said before "we drink because we drink".  Alcohol becomes a living breathing thing in us figurativly speaking and it's a thing  that we feed because it is easier to drink this stupid posion than to deal with our own crap---I think bad marriages, bad youth, bad experiences can be a form of PTSD and move you into OCD if you roll the past over and over in your head and think about it and drink about it.  Take away the alcohol and if there is a chance at all to beat it, the problem/past, then you have it.  I've been doing that slowly but surely....dealing with each trigger, each emotion trying to break it down so that it can't rebuild and I can leave it in my past forever.  It's hard though, to leave things in our past.  At least for me. No matter how great life is I can bring myself back to where I behaved badly or where someone I love has behaved badly and I'm dissapointed in them.   That's a struggle I have.  I'm doing better with it though. Pushing the past in the past where it belongs.  Deal with it and move on---don't escape it and move back!  I am not scared of the emotions or the past. I just have to remember that i'm not in life alone. That I am worthy of a great life. I don't see the triggers as scary either anymore---what scares me is what I'm capable of, if I ever let my guard down.  That's what I'm scared of the most.  
 
Sorry to be cryptic!
 
 
 
9 years ago 0 48 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
I know what you mean Nodrama. It's only been a month and already I'm seeing a future. Before all I saw was emptiness and uncertainty. For example, now I'm looking forward to starting a meaningful relationship with someone I can love. This is a big step. When I was drinking even though I liked the concept of having a stable relationship I was too caught up in myself to realistically have anything that resembled stable and it definitely wouldn't have been real love. That's just one example where I'm feeling excited about the future. 
 
Re: what do I do? I do the same as Dave mentioned "I don't drink" etc. And I also try to see where the underlying emotion is coming from. 
9 years ago 0 1009 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Hi ND,

Great post and a good question. How we deal and feel about that addictive voice in our head seems to evolve over time, at least it has for me. When I first stopped I felt the inertia of all of those triggers and it was strong. I had developed a knee-jerk reaction to stress and anxiety and the vast majority of it was historical in nature and outdated. It simply didn't apply anymore but the artifacts remained because of the dysfunctional nature of dealing with life in general for so many years. It developed at a time when the coping skills didn't exist. Now they do and for the ones that didn't I addressed them and developed them. However, change is uncomfortable and difficult at the best of times, especially change where we are insecure about the outcomes, like ditching this addictive voice, as silly as it sounds because AV is actually us talking to ourselves. It developed for a reason and we did the best we could with what we had at the time. So to get back to your original question, the AV voice dulls with time time and I've realized it's actually not so much an AV voice anymore but strong feelings about a situation I am confronted with that I need to work through. In the beginning, I would use a lot of self-talk and shut it down to give myself the space to experience the fact I don't need to drink in that situation, that it is perfectly ok to make my choices and learn to deal with life without escaping it. The fact is that what was scary and difficult when I was very young or as a teenager or young adult really isn't scary anymore. Unfortunately we develop habits that are a direct result of trying to cope with very uncomfortable feelings and fears. They could be driven by dysfunctional family life\ marriages, depression, PTSD, OCD, ADD, etc, and combinations of them. It's never directly the alcohol, only addictive thinking patterns that relies in the alcohol and maladaptive cling strategies, most often driven by cognitive distortions. Ever notice how people will replace one addiction for another? Never never truly dealt with the underlying problem. So now when the AV pops up it's in a muted sort of way that I just kind of blow it off and pay more attention to why I might be feeling a certain way. In the beginning, especially in the really difficult trigger situations when my AV was having a full on anxiety attack, I would say "No, I don't drink!" or "I'm not drinking" and keep that fixed in my mind. Looking back now, I realize that it was getting through the habitual situations and tearing down the walls that I hid behind was step 1 in the process. Doing that and becoming comfortable with it gives you the space to deal with step 2, and that's untangling, challenging, and re-working the thinking patterns that drove them. The focus shifts from one to the other the more you practice saying "No". That is why it is so important to stop completely if you really want to resolve this challenge, even if your plan is to eventually moderate. It's like walking broken foot. It never completely heals unless you get off it and stop putting the pressure on it and then ease back it into it very carefully. By taking the time to heal it you eventually walk on it again (I'm referring to moderation). Does that make sense ND?

All the best!

Dave
9 years ago 0 421 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
I was thinking today as I was doing my daily diary entry that I have no trouble filling in the 0's and knowing that I will not drink today.  That caused me to look back and think of a time when I wasn't so sure.  It is a great feeling to know what road you want to take before you get on it.  Sort of an internal roadmap. That's what I think is cool about quitting.  You can see an actual future. With your AV running the show it's chaos, it's unsettling, angry and sad.   All toxic emotions. No good comes from jumping back into the botttle.   I like what Dave said recently---the concept of "shaking it off" kind of like shaking those AV thoughts out of your head.  I do a lot of self talk--outloud in my car or anywhere really. Same concept. But, the shaking it off with a smile because you can control this is a great way to look at it.  We all can control if we take that first drink or not....we can control our future and make our own path filled with positive emotions and positive experiences.  What do you guys do to push out your AV if it pops up?  I'd love to hear some more great ideas and concepts. Thanks! 
Enjoy your day's we only get so many of them in this life!

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