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18 years ago 0 2830 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Phillip, [quote] I don't believe we would know what happiness or satisfaction or comfort was if we did not know misery and deprivation. [/quote] Bravo! I couldn't agree more! Breaking Free, there's one more thing I want to add. You said that many people around 30, 60 or 100 days crave because they have heard others say that they craved, so they too got cravings. Well, when I first quit back in June of last year, I was having a VERY hard time around 30 days. I hadn't read anything about 30 days being a tough time period. In fact, the "warnings" about that time period starting just after I went through it. So, I didn't know that 30 days is generally rough and on day 34, I blew it. If I'd stuck it out, the 4-day crave might have passed. And if I'd known that it was typically a rough time period, there's a chance that I wouldn't have smoked. I'll never know for sure, of course, but what I do know is that I didn't know that it was a tough period, and I didn't think that the craving would ever end, so I blew it. I think talking about the periods that are typically rough is helpful to a lot of quitters because it lets them know that what they're going through is normal and WILL pass. Just my opinion. As always, take what you want and leave the rest. Crave the Quit! Pam [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B] 10/28/2005 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 230 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 5,751 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] $949.9 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 16 [B]Hrs:[/B] 16 [B]Mins:[/B] 42 [B]Seconds:[/B] 53
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Breaking Free, First of all, I applaud you for stating your opinions and posting how you feel. Here's the thing though with this addiction... Nicotine addiction is one of the absolute hardest addictions to break and while breaking "other addictions" might give some insight as to the long term effects of smoking, I will be interested to what happens when you've been quit for 100+ days and have a multi-day crave. It happens. You might say that it shouldn't happen to somebody that far down the road, but the fact is that it DOES happen. Yes, we can turn our minds away from smoking, but the craving comes back. Yes, we can distract ourselves by doing something else, but the craving comes back. Yes, we can read and post and get pumped up with our quits, but the craving comes back. Right now, I would like to ask anybody who has been quit for more than 150 or so days to speak up if you haven't had a multi-day crave since 30 days. Anybody? Seriously. I want to know. Let's hear it! The thing that we often don't see is that many people who have been quit for a long time don't post about their cravings. That doesn't mean that they're not craving... it just means that they're not POSTING about them. The ones who post about it are not any worse than the ones who don't, and we have to remember that. This site is for ALL quitters and I think it's important to not alienate people and make them not want to post if they're having a hard time because they've been quit for a while. It's MUCH better to post about it than to smoke. So I say, no matter how long you've been quit, if you feel like you need to post about a tough craving, then post about it! And Breaking Free, just understand that cravings with this addiction DO come at later times for MOST quitters. I don't think it's unsupportive to say that... it's honest. Crave the Quit! Pam [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B] 10/28/2005 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 229 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 5,748 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] $945.77 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 16 [B]Hrs:[/B] 16 [B]Mins:[/B] 30 [B]Seconds:[/B] 23
18 years ago 0 2830 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Breaking Free, You're right... we are different! I'm proud that I quit and I wear the ex-smoker label proudly... I even have N.O.P.E. on a bracelet on my wrist that never comes off. If anybody asks me what it stands for or what it says, I gladly tell them what I accomplished. To me, I'm so proud to be an ex-smoker that I don't care what label somebody wants to give me... I'd rather have the label "ex-smoker" than "smoker." That's for sure! I'm glad that the information that you have gained through this thread and others related to the issue has helped you in your journey. If knowing the difference between craves and triggers helps you, then so be it. I'm glad for that! I'm sure that you will never give up your quit... you seem like a very determined and committed quitter. That's great! Thanks once again for starting this very thought-provocing thread. I hope no feathers were ruffled here. And even if they were, it's been a great debate! Crave the Quit! Pam [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B] 10/28/2005 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 234 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 5,868 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] $966.42 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 17 [B]Hrs:[/B] 0 [B]Mins:[/B] 49 [B]Seconds:[/B] 42
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Breaking Free, This has been a wonderful discussion!!! I was gone for a few days with personal issues and when I came back to the site, I saw that there had been 30+ posts to this thread since the last time I'd read it!!! I just now got caught up *looking at the clock!* ;p Anyway, I wanted to add one thing. You said "I want to understand the difference between a crave, a memory, triggers, withdrawal." I'm not sure there is much of a difference and the difference is about as useful as a 2 legged table. I think that, as Shevie said, one leads to another... memories lead to triggers which cause craves which are often withdrawal symptoms. But frankly, I don't think that that is the issue here. I think the difference in semantics is a moot point... if somebody wants a cigarette for 4 or 5 days, I don't care if you call that a crave, a thought or withdrawal... it still sucks and it's still quitting related... even if it's several years down the line. I think that the fact that you're not having as many problems as some is very fortunate. However, I hope that you never get cocky or think that you've got this thing whipped... that's precisely the time when the nicodemon runs in and throws in an aweful crave, or we do something like go out drinking with smoking friends without preparing for it and then WHAM!!! We screw up. I really don't want to see that happen to you. So, always be prepared. Always be on guard. Never think that you've got it beat. I think that's why people say that we are always recovering addicts... because no matter how long we've been quit... whether it be 1 day, 1 week, 1 month, 1 year or 1 decade, we will ALWAYS be 1 puff away from a pack a day. There's no negotiating with this addiction. As far as scaring newbies goes, I'd rather tell them the truth than tell them that quitting is fun and enjoyable and isn't hard at all! The truth is that quitting HAS been the hardest thing I've ever done and I'm thankful for that!!! I'm glad it was hard! That way, I won't ever try to convince myself that since quitting was easy, I can go back to smoking for a while and quit again later! I'm glad it was the hardest thing I've ever done! I think the temptation later on down the line with an "easier" quit would be pretty hard to han
18 years ago 0 2027 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
I agree, Grandma. The expectation could cause it to happen. My mother used to call it "worrying something into being." But there have been so many that have come to this site after losing a previous quit between 80 - 120 days. Rejoice in your fortune, Grandma. No all experience problems at the typical low points and it appears you may be one of them. That would be really great. Thank you for your input. :) Shevie [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B] 5/23/2005 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 390 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 7,810 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] $1482 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 72 [B]Hrs:[/B] 19 [B]Mins:[/B] 14 [B]Seconds:[/B] 36
18 years ago 0 2027 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Breaking Free and Lady. I still haven't explained it well enough. Memories and craves are not the same thing. However, a memory can trigger a crave, even if the memory does not occur on a concious level. Pavlov trained his dogs by ringing a bell, then feeding them. Eventually an association was formed between the sound of the bell and the presence of food. When the dogs expected food, their natural response was to salivate. They were trained by a repetitive process to expect food when they heard the bell. Therefore, at the sound of the bell they would salivate. This was an automatic response that occurred on a primitive level in the brain. No concious activity contributed to it. If the reward is high enough and the activity simple enough, it is possible to train an animal with only one or two repetitions. I've seen it done. The same goes for our addiction. It functions in the primitive areas of the brain, apart from our conciousness. We can exert some influence over it to varying degrees, but its activity is mostly independent. We have quite literally trained ourselves to reward us with a nicotine dose for certain events, just like Pavlov did with his dogs. Now keep in mind that this "reward" is the result of a dopamine boost caused by the nicotine. Smoking to calm down after a burst of temper fits this definition of a "reward". So now we go through life, doing things we've done before, following our normal routine and patterns. We walk out of a grocery store and used to light up on the way out. Probably already had the cig in the mouth and the lighter in hand, just waiting to clear the door. As we exit the door, our memories (operating below conciousness) say "Hot dam! Here it comes!" But we don't light up. By the time we've reached the car, the primitive part of our brain is switching to panic mode because it hasn't gotten what it expected. About the time we get to the car, it throws a tantrum and we're craving. Just as these associations are learned, they can be unlearned or extinguished. Every time we leave the store and don't light up, the association between the act of leaving the store and smoking is weakened while the association with not smoking is strengthened. Eventually the link with smoking will be exting
18 years ago 0 2027 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
This is such an awesome thread, I can�t believe I haven�t read it until now. {bad me} According to the medical community, the nicotine is out of your system within 72 hours. At that point, presumably, the physical withdrawal symptoms will stop and most do. However, there is much more to craves than just physical withdrawal. When we smoked the nicotine over-stimulated our reward centers. As a result, the brain shut down some of these centers in an attempt to return to normal, where normal was our pre-smoking state. Over the years these unused reward centers atrophied and went away, literally. A similar process occurs for any constant stimulation, i.e. a wedding band. When we quit smoking, we lost the nicotine�s stimulation of the reward centers. That plunged us into a �reward deficit� condition and this is the source of the depression, sadness, crying, etc. Over time, medical research says typically 12 � 18 months, our brains will recover. This is done by literally re-growing the nerve pathways in the reward centers that atrophied under the presence of nicotine. In the beginnings of our life, we had 12 � 18 years to develop the pathways nicotine destroyed. For them to recover in 12 � 18 months is, IMO, nothing short of miraculous. It is in this recovery that rewards play such an important role. Just as physical exercise helps atrophied muscles rebuild and recover, so do rewards help the brain�s reward centers rebuild and recover. Think of rewards as free-weights for the brain. They aren�t just to make us feel good about ourselves, they are literally rehabilitation. Concerning the time-related craves. I�ve seen many people join this board saying they had previously lost a quit at 30 days, 100 days, 3 months, 4 months, 6 months, and 10 months. Far more than just coincidence could explain. While we do warn of them, and there may be some self-fulfilling prophecy effect in play here, these events are not limited to the SSC. The reason I mention them to newbies is in the spirit of forewarned is forearmed. My �100-day� event (between days 85 � 89, actually) was the worst of my entire quit. The craves of just one of the three nights exceeded the total of all the others combined, both before and after. The misery was worse than when I brok
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I guess I'm not sure what a "crave" is. I always associated it with a physical feeling, the kind I had during the first week or so. I think I mostly agree with Breaking Free, that the desire to smoke or the want to smoke is different from a physical crave, it is more of a mental thing. I can honestly say that, as tough as my quit was for me emotionally, I have never once had a physical crave that lasted more than a few minutes. Rusty :confuse: [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B] 12/13/2004 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 549 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 15,384 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] $1921.5 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 75 [B]Hrs:[/B] 13 [B]Mins:[/B] 53 [B]Seconds:[/B] 8
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18 years ago 0 2534 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
I too dislike the negativity that is sometimes extended to the new quitters; it really is no help to them at all during that critical first week, first month. Please forgive me for sharing some of my experience of just over 2 years quit and in particularly that part which is pertinent to this thread. Yes it was hard in the beginning, very hard and that will come as no surprise to anyone, or least it shouldn't do. The first week was an absolute nightmare but things slowly improved as time passed although the clock did seem to be stationary in the early days, God, it hardly moved! My quit became progressively easier to the point where I never experienced another crave and that was done well before 100 days!! To this day I no longer crave tobacco and it has been like that for a long, long while. Triggers? Yes, plenty although reducing, they force a smile from me as I continue to rewire my thinking for such incidents. There may be a trigger but there is no chance of a smoke! In time, there will be no triggers either. New quitters; do it from day to day and let the weeks and months take care of themselves for they surely will. Just Keep on Keeping on Good Luck! Penitent d758
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18 years ago 0 12049 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Breaking, Excellent topic of discussion, I applaud you! It is mental, but also habitual. Many studies have shown that the individuals have a harder time dealing with the "mind over matter" issue. Habits are very addictive as well and we need to take time to re-adjust our body and mind. We are constantly re-living situations and also being introduced to new ones. Individuals generally would associate situations as somewhere to smoke. After 3 months a familiar situation arises and the crave is emotionally and habitually there, as it used to be when the similar situations arose. Hope this makes sense, and I am curious to see what other members think. Remember, everyone's opinion is valued and we are not here to judge :) Thanks for this Breaking! Keep Strong, Josie _____________________ The SSC Support Team.

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