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18 years ago 0 1521 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
kiwi, That would just be getting right in to politics and money. Many Governments make a large amount of money on taxes, cigarette industries contribute alot of money to taxes - to governments. Remember money makes the world turn. This would make for a very heated debate. Take Care, Melanie _______________________ The SSC Support Team
18 years ago 0 893 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Well I agree - sort of. What gets me is that here cigs are heavilly taxed (I assume they are everywhere) and each year the government puts higher taxes on (just above the rate of inflation), claiming that it is to deter people from smoking. Well I think that is balony, the amount they put on is not sufficient to deter us (them now!) it just raises more taxes. If they really wanted to stop smoking for good, they would tax them out of existence but they know they can't because they need the revenue. But being politicians they can't tell us the truth. Thanks Kiwi, I have also got that off my chest. ;) [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B] 2/6/2006 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 12 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 151 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] �30 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 2 [B]Hrs:[/B] 7 [B]Mins:[/B] 13 [B]Seconds:[/B] 1
18 years ago 0 456 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Rob Reiner and his type are control freaks who believe that someone has given them the right to run everybody's life. These people are just the type to ban certian colors because they make children 'think' about violence. If you want kids to stop thinking about violence and sex, then make the grownups stop indulging themselves in it. These people are not welcome in my America.. they need to get over their arrogant, pompous selves and mind their own damn business. These are the people who pass laws that force people to live in a way that is politically correct. Make me want to puke ! I lived in California for a couple of years and even though smoking was banned.. you could sit near the back door of the bar or club and smoke at your will. Nothing like standing in a back alley at night. Especially in a place like California, blackmarketing would be big business. California government would make so much money though.. they charge huge fines for every little infraction and then when people can't pay, they keep them on the state payout roll.. re-arresting for nonpayment and adding more fines. Until you are working just to pay the state and your family suffers.. your standard of living drops and you can't do a thing about it. California's fining is such a scam.. and totally discrimatory towards the poor. I have had friends live this nightmare all from getting an insurance ticket one week after arriving in California. Throw in the unacceptable out of state license and not having a California registration (with the $300 out of state extra fee.. (found unconstituional)). The tickets are not just issued and you go off to take care of them either.. They impound your car and charge huge impounding and storage fees.. meanwhile leaving you on the side of the road. And if that is not enough.. the cop is probably laughing at you and daring you to say a word so he can arrest you for something he can trump up. But that's California.. love it or leave it. I left it. Rob Reiner needs to go find a whale to save.. Boy I am pissy today... :| [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B] 2/1/2006 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 21 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 544 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] $73.5 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 2 [B]Hrs:[/B] 7 [B]Mins:[/B] 21 [B]Seconds:[/B] 31
18 years ago 0 456 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Personally I believe that our government spends way too much of our tax dollars on pork and give aways to big business. As far as taxing cigarettes, I believe that this may be an area that the government may be justified. The federal govenment pays not only for medicare but also medicaid. These programs pick up hospital bills for our retired people and for the poor who cannot afford healthcare. Smoking contributes considerably to healthcare cost as cancer and emphysema alone cost billions in care. I don't believe that the govenment has a right to do anything but ban smoking in public. A public place means that all people are affected and therefore the innocent must be protected. If you have ever seen a child have an asthma attack in a public place due to second hand smoke then you might understand. The truth is that changing your smoking habits to not smoke in public is not that hard.. I did it in California (when I lived there for a couple of years..) got use to it. I agree with doingit4mygirls... the government should not be allowed into the decisions of our private lives.. that is just unAmerican and unconstitutional.. This is the land of the free right? and all are equal ?? Nonsmokers do not have the right to decide for me or you. And Golfman.. you just hit it right on the head.. I want a ringside seat for that event (closed circuit would be appropriate :eg: ).. Smoking sucks that's why I don't smoke.... anymore anyway ! Hang Tuff all ! Knight Christine [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B] 2/1/2006 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 18 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 472 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] $63 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 1 [B]Hrs:[/B] 23 [B]Mins:[/B] 58 [B]Seconds:[/B] 43
18 years ago 0 519 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Prohibition doesn't work which is why they don't ban smoking. Raising taxes doesn't work either. There is a point, like a magic line in the sand, raise taxes beyond that point and a black market springs into place that LOWERS the price of cigs to well below it was before the taxes were raised. This is what happened in Canada and it's what's happening in New York. Despite the fact that nicotine is more addictive than heroin, and that people who are heavy smokers die, there is no level of impairment. No one ever died because the one for the road was a Virginia Slim. That's another reason why they can't make it illegal. Various cities are banning smoking and those bans will be overturned as soon as someone takes it to court. As soon as there is a ban, there will be a way around it. That people die who smoke can't even enter into the discussion. People die from all kinds of behavior. Where do you draw the line? Skiiers die all the time, don't look for a ban on skiing any time soon. Swimmers drown, they get the bends, they exhaust themseves and get caught in riptides, should swimming be banned? See what I mean. [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B] 1/30/2006 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 22 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 681 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] $220 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 2 [B]Hrs:[/B] 23 [B]Mins:[/B] 6 [B]Seconds:[/B] 26
18 years ago 0 519 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
I wish I were in New Zealand, I'd be getting my smuggling routes down right now. Of course I'm only joking, but that is just where a total ban leads. I don't know that much about New Zealand, but in the states the distribution lines are all ready in place from all the other drug activity. Criminals are actually salivating at the thought of an outright prohibition and the money they will make. Draconian bans make more crime and more criminals. NZ must have some empty jails they need to fill. I live in California where smoking is illegal just about everywhere. Restaurant owners made outside patios where people could smoke. The non-smokers complained that they wanted to use the patios too so smoking was banned on the patios. The only restaurants that are entirely smoke free 24/7 are coffee shops and grade B. The best restaurants have after hours by invitation only and they absolutely allow smoking because to all intents and purposes the restaurant is CLOSED. I know some bars and clubs that are NEVER open. The front door is permanently chained and locked. This is the modern day version of the speakeasy. Go to the back door and tell them "Joe sent me" and you get right in. The music is loud, the drinks watered and the haze thick. Cigs are upwards of five bucks a pack but you can go to any swapmeet and flea market and mexicans will sell smuggled in mexican cigs for two dollars a pack. Rob Reiner actor turned politician wants to make smoking illegal everywhere except in your own home. It has to be a stand alone home too because the ban will cover any residence that shares a common wall with someone else's home. He wants a $2.50 tax on each pack to put the price up to $7.00 or more. Smugglers are fairly dancing in the streets over this one. The tunnels are already dug, the sellers already stationed on the street corners and they don't care if what they sell is coke, meth or cigs. Right now cigs are sold and controlled and fairly easy to get. If you want dope dealers in your school yards, make cigs illegal. They will be peddling cigs to five year olds. As attractive as a total ban on cigs are to think about, the reality is very ugly.
18 years ago 0 70 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Touchy subject. Personally, I don't like being told what I can or cannot do with (or to) my body. I knew the cigarettes were bad and I made the choice to smoke them...now I choose to quit. I also don't like the idea of government telling private business that they can or cannot allow smoking within their establishments. If a restauranteur wants to have a smoking section or not should not concern the government. If you don't want to be around the smoke, don't go there. If another restauranteur decides to be a non-smoking establishment that is their choice. If you are a smoker who can't get through a meal without a smoke, you wouldn't go to that establishment. The free-market system will work out the details of this argument. I would agree to the government outlawing it on government property, including parks. But, they're now talking about outlawing it in private homes, come on! Really?! This is dangerous ground. If they can stop me from smoking in my house, what's next? Butter, beef, candy, cheese or coffee? How about spray paint, glue, insecticides, solvents and gasoline? Do what you need to do for yourself and your kids, but leave me alone! I'll take care of myself and my family and I will leave you alone too. As a new ex-smoker I too have a lot of anger for the manufacturers of the death sticks that kept me in their grip for decades. I hate the smell of the smoke and I am terrified that I will lose my quit. However, I will fight any attempt to remove personal liberties here in the States. I will also say for the benefit of all those who disagree with me, in the word of Voltaire: "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." Another liberty worth fighting about. [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B] 1/29/2006 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 21 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 262 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] $63 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 3 [B]Hrs:[/B] 3 [B]Mins:[/B] 5 [B]Seconds:[/B] 31
18 years ago 0 70 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Chris, good point on the pork. But I will disagree with you on one point: the federal government doesn't pay for anything, you and I do. The federal government has no way of producing anything without the citizens. There would be many ways to take care of the poor sick and elderly in our own backyard if there weren't so much waste. I agree that taxing tobacco is good, and if it really goes to taking care of those that the tobacco has made sick, even better. In fact, doubling or tripling the taxation may make starting cost prohibitive for kids. When I started, cigarettes were under $1 a pack, if they had been $5, I could not have afforded to start. In todays dollars that's probably like $25 a pack! [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B] 1/29/2006 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 22 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 270 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] $66 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 3 [B]Hrs:[/B] 5 [B]Mins:[/B] 23 [B]Seconds:[/B] 5
18 years ago 0 218 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
I know exactly what you mean!! i feel the same way, now that i have quit smoking I see other people smoking and i cant believe it is legal in the FIRST place! I think it is the most pointless thing there is now! Tobacco marketting is one of the most manipulative, scheming advertising out there. How could they possibly promote a drug that does nothing but kill people? Although banning it might do some good for some, I still think many people would smoke dispite it, in some cases more because they will be so deprived not being able to smoke in public that when they can they will sneak somewhere and chainsmoke. But i feel that banning smoking would help people who dont smoke not to have to suffer the effects of second hand smoke!!! [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B] 2/1/2006 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 17 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 88 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] $136 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 1 [B]Hrs:[/B] 2 [B]Mins:[/B] 18 [B]Seconds:[/B] 59
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18 years ago 0 672 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
A point to add... Cig advertising was banned here in New Zealand approx. 15 years ago & replaced with alcahol ads (another good little money earner). Due to enforcement of Anti-smoking laws & 'smoke free' publicity in recent years not to mention outrageous life & health insurance premiums for smokers, i can honestly say it has made it a lot easier for me to maintain my quitting this time. Smokers here in New Zealand are blatantly 'punished' for their addiction, yet they still choose to smoke. From where i and many of us stand as non-smokers, we can finally see how blinding & manipulative this nicotine addiction really is. Spreading the word. ;) [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B] 1/1/2005 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 413 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 10,342 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] $2684.5 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 59 [B]Hrs:[/B] 6 [B]Mins:[/B] 30 [B]Seconds:[/B] 35
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