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Worrying about BECOMING depressed...


10 years ago 0 6252 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
TJ

I'm not so much perceptive as more like been there,done that. Also I work with different people with different problems so I realize that although CBT is basically one thing how you use that one thing is different for different people. Dr. weeks is right to a point and I think you are at that point. A plateau as you put it. You function but would like to be more. I hit that point a couple of years ago. This is where you go from the how to the why. You know the how, are you sure you want to know the why. It is a two edged sword. It is knowledge that you can't erase once you know it. It is knowing how the brain works and why it works that way. And it is not complicated at all though it may seem so. You will also be delving into things from the past that influenced you and your family and surroundings. Do you want to do this or are you satisfied with the coping skills that you use to function now and which got you to Dr. weeks point of functioning. Time will cure all till some crisis flips everything around and you have to build new coping skills. The things you can learn now don't change this they just make it faster, more automatic. But like I said it is a two edged sword it can give you a whole new batch of negative thoughts to deal with.
The mind works like a computer, everything is yes or no. except that the mind also does maybe. It is like having a search engine running steady. So why do you get moments of negativity? Because you have asked the "maybe" search engine to look for them. This too is why they happen during periods of stability and calm. 
There is a big answer to all of this that will save you a lot of trouble. It is acceptance. One of Dr. Weeks words. 
You have the ability to process information fast which is why you are good in a crisis. Unfortunately you also can use that same ability to search for all the negatives you have from the past in your memory. Even ones you don't think you remember. And worse even are the blocked ones.

Generalized Anxiety Disorder (GAD) is characterized by anxiety coming out of the blue for no reason. This definition is questioned by some experts and I agree with them. I/we think there really is a reason. 

So although you can not stop the search engine and in intelligent people it is a bigger one you can give it more positives to search for than negatives and this is the function of CBT.

I strongly recommend you do the program to make sure you have all the coping skills you can get.
Ask your psychologist about the thought triangle and if you are ready for it, it is an eye opener. It is also a relatively new piece of information.

Do you know how to get a song from repeating itself in your head? Search for and play a different one. Same with obsessive thoughts, search for and play a different one, a positive one. But don't stop there because positives are not survival skills and are short lived compared to negatives, repeat it so it covers up the negative. You change it by burying it.

Davit
10 years ago 0 3 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Thanks for the responses all.

I've had anxiety/panic off-and-on since I was in my early 20s, and am in my early 40s now. I've managed it quite well for the most part - not letting it interfere with my daily life, not affecting my work or family life, etc. I'm quite adept at the old Dr. Clair Weeks' approach of "face, float, accept, let time pass" and it's worked for me.
 
As I said, the only issue I've really been struggling with lately are the obsessive thought components. And Davit, you are quite perceptive, as it really is when things in my life are going most smoothly that I fall into the negative thoughts/obsessiveness. I'm very good when there's AN actual crisis or problem to solve! Kind of a Catch 22.

I'm excited I stumbled across this site and this program. I've been working with a great psychologist for the past 8 years or so and she's really, really helped hone my coping skills. However, I do feel like I've been on sort of a plateau lately when it comes to the negative/obsessive thoughts, so am interested to see if this can help eradicate that component.

Thanks again!
10 years ago 0 11213 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Welcome TJ-AI,

I'm sorry to hear you have been feeling this way. I can see how this thinking would be very scary. Know that you can take control of it. Continue to work on the program and you will learn how to challenge this thinking and replace it with more positive thoughts. There are great questions in session three that will help you immediately but remember practice makes perfect.

To get you thinking, What advice would you give to a close friend who was in the exact same situation as you?


Ashley, Health Educator
10 years ago 0 6252 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Welcome TJ

From your post I get the impression you are bored with not enough to keep you occupied and that which does you do in a set routine. Any deviation from that routine probably mildly annoys you starting your mind wandering. A fear of dying comes from a fear of not being fulfilled before you die. Life is probably too easy for you therefore there must be more. But Oh God what if I have some disease that is going to kill me. What if I lose my mind and become depressed. Then I won't be able to get that fulfilment. I'm going nowhere, I might as well die. Which morphs into I am going to die. All negative thoughts and not true. No sense saying get the tests done to prove you are healthy, a hypochondriac is not going to believe them. You need two things. You need to treat any imagined disease and you need to treat any negative thoughts associated with it. Such as dying. To kill a tree you need to remove the root. To get at the root you need to remove the top, usually one branch at a time. This is CBT. Changing those negative thoughts to positive ones. Removing them one at a time. 
It is all in the program.

Davit.
10 years ago 0 1071 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Hi TJ-IA,

The way to overcome negative thoughts is to replace them with positive true statements and believe them.  It's retraining your brain to focus on the positive and not the negative.  My Mom was a hypochondriac and I used to be as well, but we have both overcome it and do not have it anymore.  So, from your post, to specifically address an example of overcoming this is to say the following, every time the negative thought enters your mind.  "I'm probably GOING to be depressed.  That's not true, the evidence and proof is that I'm genuinely happy, I love my family, like my job, enjoy interacting with people and I eat and sleep regularly."  There is a section in your tool box with a list of questions to challenge your negative thoughts.  For example, "Is is true?" Your mind can talk you into and out of things, so to overcome it, replace negative with positive (however long it takes) for you to automatically default to the positive.  The negative thoughts will have less power over time and will quiet and you can be free of it.  Keep doing it, even if you get tired of it, you have to be more persistent than the negative thoughts, this is how you do it.  I've done it and I am free.  It doesn't mean I never have negative thoughts, it means I address them immediately and don't give them any power and move on.  Over time, it gets easier and you have less negative thoughts.  I was a pessimist before I started this program and I ended up an optimist and I've never regretted it.  You can do this, it just takes practice and patience.  

Shari
10 years ago 0 3 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Had to get this off my chest as it's really been annoying me lately. I can tell that I'm genuinely happy - love my family, like my newish job, enjoy interacting with people, still eating/sleeping/etc. quite regularly.

But on top of my general hypochondria (always think I have something that's about to kill me) - and mild-to-moderate general anxiety symptoms - I've now obsessively been thinking about how I'm probably GOING to be depressed, and that any even mild "down" feeling I have is most likely an impending major depression that will ultimately cause me to harm myself.
 
Rationally, I know this is likely another manifestation of my general fear of dying (as evidenced by my life-long hypochondria). But this obsessive rumination on BEING depressed before I actually am depressed is kind of a new one. And of course, my brain has half-convinced me that merely ruminating on it will make it actually happen.
 
At any rate, any suggestions (other than letting time pass) for addressing this particular issue? Also, I presume it's not that unusual, but it sure would be great to hear I'm not alone on this one.

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