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15 years ago 0 341 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0

Thanks you guys/gals, I do try, but sometimes I just listen and listen, and I'd rather do that and be there for her. You're right, she'll do something when she is ready:)

15 years ago 0 313 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Hi ya...
 
I agree with DB too... Until she wants help or admits she needs help all you can do is listen. 
 
You're being a great friend, she's lucky to have you.
 
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15 years ago 0 2101 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Hiya Minn.,
 
Just wanted to echo breanne and DB on this. I think they are both totally right! Not adding anything else as they have pretty much summed it up  :)
15 years ago 0 1693 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
I agree with darkblue. You are a great friend, and it is good that you are able to be there for her and listen to her. But, if she doesn't want help, then there isn't too much else you can do. Keep at it though, hopefully she'll come around. Breanne, Bilingual Health Educator
15 years ago 0 150 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Having an anxiety disorder and worrying about your health go hand in hand.  You think/would like to think that there is something physically, and easily fixable, wrong with you.
 
I suppose it just takes some time to realise that all these symtpoms are brought on by anxiety.  When you reach that mark, they start to fade.  However some people never recognise that it's their anxiety.

Maybe it's to do with acceptance.  Some people think they are 'admitting weakness' if they admit it's anxiety that's wrong with them.

I think I'm safe in saying we've all had those thoughts of "Maybe it's not anxiety that's wrong with me"  But that is just part of the anxiety.
 
I feel for your friend.  It seems there is nothing that can be done while someone does not want help.

15 years ago 0 341 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
DB, I have this friend, she has been to the doc for all kinds of brain scans, and heart monitoring.  I told her its probably anxiety, as they found nothing wrong.  She recently quit her job and is at home all day doing housework.  She doesnt have any hobbies.  She cooks and cleans, and she thinks a lot.
I went to her place when I was visiting Toronto in October last year.  It is spotless.  She has this dog, that wont leave her side, and she wont go anywhere as she is worried about leaving the dog.
She told me she worries a lot and thinks a lot, so when she got a bad headache, she was off to the doctor.  She had pulpatations and she was off to the doctor.  She said that even the top doctors dont know what they were talking about when they couldnt find anything.  She went to her regular doc and got anxiety meds, took them for 2 days then stopped.  I have tried to get her to come here and she wont.  I am still friendly with her, and I listen and listen, When the anxiety first came back this year I thought I had bad flu, I went to the doc a few times.  People told me because I was lightheaded I must have diabetes, or anemia.  Turns out it was just anxiety, after visiting the doctor a few times, she said there was nothing wrong with my physical health.. I couldnt sleep, so thought i'd write on here.
15 years ago 0 150 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
That's just typical of the NHS in this country I'm afraid.
 
I know what you mean about the chest pain.  I have had heart palpitations for the past week and convinced myself that I was suffering from all kinds of diseases or cancers or tumours etc.  
 
However when I do actually get my heart rate up, I realise that there's no palpitations and no pain etc.  So if there was something wrong with me, why does it happen to choose times when I am not 'at risk' if I were suffering a physical heart problem... 
 
Fear is not logical.  It's irrational, which is why when we are stricken by fear we find it very hard to see the logic of the situation.  
 
I did the same thing with headaches that I had a few weeks ago.  I convinced myself that it was an aneurysm - probably because a friend of mine died of a cerebral aneurysm.
 
And the pain and fear is not enough - oh no.  Your mind then leads on to the cheery thought of death, and what would people do, and what is after death, and how morbid the whole thing is, and what's the point of living, etc etc etc.
 
They are relatively normal for anxiety, but even at that - it's not good enough to 'know' that it is anxiety. 
 
I can tell myself that 'the thing I am feeling/thinking is due to anxiety' - it doesn't make it go away.

I force myself to have good days.  Unfortunately today I'm not well.  I was visiting my girlfriend and her mum had a cold which she has kindly passed on.  It's the first time I've been unwell since having glandular fever and having to take a trip to the A&E - and then straight to surgery to have my tonsils removed.  Not a nice memory.

And the fact that I'm chest breathing makes my cold feel worse, and then I have thoughts about my breathing be linked to some sort of lung impairment.
 

It's tiring work just fretting about all these things...
 
I could literally type on... and to hell with it, I shall.
 
I think part of the reason why I worry so much about my breathing is because I'm a smoker (and if any of you admin tell me to join the sister site for stop smoking, I will send you all parcels of passive smoke).  I don't want to rattle off my excuses for smoking, because, quite frankly, they're rubbish.  Just now I don't need to stop smoking.  I've got enough on my plate without that.  But I digress.

The fact that I smoke makes me fear my chances of contracting some awful cancer or lung related disease is greater - however my age makes it highly improbable that I have. 
 
It all seems to come down to the fear factor.  The automatic sensation which makes us feel and act and interact irregularly.  Trying to restore that feeling of regularitory (I've given up calling it normality) is difficult, but not impossible.  People convert fears all the time.  

I remember reading that going to a hypnotherapist for panic disorder is useless, as basically what hypnotherapy does is retrains you in to thinking a certain way about something.  But panic disorder is a learned disorder.  Not as irrational as fear of flying or spiders.  With those fears, we have irrationally linked spiders/flying with catastrophe.  With panic disorder, we have linked many things with fear.  And the longer it goes on, the more fear of situations is created.   Therefore we need tools to cope and get better, not a 'miracle cure' like hypnotherapists seem to offer.
 
One of my biggest fears is that I will never return to normal.  But I'm reminded of the quote:  Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans.  And in the same sense, life and normality is being restored while you are devising techniques and tools to cope.  We are all slowly improving with every step we take.

It happens so fast.  I remember like it was only last week (in fact it was over 6 months ago) that I was having 10+ panic attacks per day. For no reason.  I wasn't in fear provoking situations or anything, I was just simply having massive panic attacks.
Now, I can go to shops, I 'could' go to work, I can go out for meals - I can function normally again.  It's just the residue anxiety that remains.  
 
 That's why i'm sick of seeing all of these people who claim to cure your panic attacks if you give them £x.  Conmen will always target those who are desperate. 
The truth is there is no cure out there that someone can tell you.  People can offer you tools or techniques to help you overcome your anxiety/panic - but you have to take the gigantic step towards ridding yourself of panic.  It's a truly huge step.
 
I could go on and on, but I'll just wander around the forums for a while instead...
15 years ago 0 778 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Ha !!! Ok DB , i forgot when i wrote here that one of the doctors asked me if i wanted to be referred to see a Phychogist (sp) and i said yes . But it has to be two months ago , well still waiting for that appointment !
 
I couldnt go private either oh well .
 
As for what you wrote about the doctors i couldnt agree with you more . Now i know all these 'things' are anxiety it dosnt make it any less painful (my chest started playing up again two days ago) or any less scary . Before you say it lol , i do ask all those questions is it 100% true etc .
 
Now what is beginning to scare me if i let myself think about it is what if im putting everything down to anxiety and its not arghhh . The power of thoughts . im just waffling now i know but it does scare me .
15 years ago 0 1153 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
DB,
 
Maybe it's time to talk to your doctor about how you feel with her treatment or seek a new doctor that will help you with other methods than just medication.
 
It's important to have a good, trusting relationship with your doctor.
 
Members, have you ever had a similar experience with your doctor?
 

Brenna, Bilingual Health Educator
15 years ago 0 150 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
CD,
 
The most likely thing we have in comparisson would probably be going to your doctor to be referred for CBT.  I was considering doing that not to so long ago, but I feel that I can do this on my own now, as things have improved drastically.
 
I'm sure I have heard of a few private treatment centres for anxiety.  For example, I'm sure the Linden Method has treatment centres.  But of course these all cost a lot of money. 
 
It's quite disheartening to think that when I go to the doctor's, all she wants to do is give me medication and tell me that I'll be fine.  If I tell her I've had chest pain, etc, she just looks at me with a sarcastic smile as if to say she doesn't care because it's anxiety.
 
The fact is that OK, it is anxiety, but it still hurts.  It's still scary and it's still a physical problem with me.

If I went in without a history of anxiety and told her I had chest pains, she'd be referring me to specialists, organising stress tests, etc etc etc.  I feel as though because I'm an anxiety sufferer, it's purely up to me to get over it. 
 



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