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14 years ago 0 1665 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Yup, me too, I've been there.  Sorry to say it lasted almost a year for me.  It was after I had a lot of pain then surgery one summer.  Here's what I tried.  A cup of hot milk, sipped slowly before bed helped me.  I still have it when needed. I told myself that I was ill and that it would take time to get over this, same as a very bad flu.  I babied myself and made sure bedtime was soothing, comfortable, relaxed and around the same time every night.  I played relaxation music, muscle relaxation tapes, visualization tapes.  I read books until I felt sleepy.  I skipped a coffee after dinner and had herbal tea instead, especially the chamomile one.  My body was exhausted from this experience and probably you are feeling that too.  The thought that this will never end doesn't help the situation.  I went through that too, it just made me more anxious to get to sleep.  It took time, but it is gone.  I may have a bad night once in awhile, but it is usually just the one night and all is well again.  I have found a pattern for me with these bad nights.  They usually occur when I've done too much through the day and my mind doesn't shut off, usually I am already overtired, overstimulated I guess, before bedtime without the right relaxation time, for me, to change gears. 
Light exercise might help, such as a walk around the block.  Not heavy exercise though like going to the gym too close to bedtime. 
I hope some of these tips are helpful to you.  Keep the faith
14 years ago 0 6252 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
KT

Just a little reassurance I have been though what you are going through and worse and conquered it. Anxiety is normal, panic is normal, panic attacks are not. You can beat this if you want to bad enough.

Here for you.
Davit.
14 years ago 0 18 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Thank you for the responses, it helps to feel like others relate.  You know, I really do feel like I am at odds with myself.  I had a friend today tell me how "normal" anxiety is and how I should embrace it, but how can I embrace something that has kept me up for three days?  Last night was my worst night yet, I didn't even need the obsessive thoughts to trigger the panic and wake myself up.  I usually am able to cry to relieve some of the stress and fall back asleep, except that last night I was just too tired to cry, the whole thing was pretty much a nightmare.  But I don't have to get up early tomorrow, so I am hoping by just telling myself that tonight is about resting, I will fall asleep and stay asleep.  I don't go back until next Tuesday, but already I am worried about perpetuating this cycle for myself.  I love the work I am doing, and since this is my education and career we are talking about, I feel like I cannot escape this time around--maybe that's the best part about the panic coming back, now I have to really deal with it instead of running from it.  Honestly, what petrifies me the most is the idea that I will have to deal with this forever.  Thinking that was is more depressing than anything else.  Is that something you guys have felt, and if so, what did you do to overcome that fear?

Thank you so much for allowing me to vent, and for sharing your experiences.  Panic really is the loneliest and most devastating trial I have ever been through.

14 years ago 0 538 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
KT,
I suffer with the  4 am anxiety also. It used to be really bad, but now its not. I have the Questions always ready in my mind for whenever a negative thought pops in. By repeating them , practicing them over and over, even if I wake during the night I can squash those demons. Ofcourse, when life gets extra  stressful, and yours sounds   like it is right now, its harder, but still doable.
I woke up last night 4am, my mind started racing.....I have a big pow-wow at work today, where I have to speak my opinion in front of a lot people, hubby's away, and I have the dreaded DR.s appt Fri. It all came crashing in. At once.  All the "What-ifs" and catastrophic thougths.  I said "oh S#it,  I don't want to have a panic attack, Its too exausting." So I made a deal with myself, I agreed to let myself ponder what may happen at work, I forbad myself to think of  my Dr. Appt, telling myself I have plenty of time for that tomorrow,  the next thing I know its  7 am.. I didn't add any extra pressure on myself to get right back to sleep, and poof! it happened.  Sometimes I think trying to hard to return to sleep is futile.
Keep arming yourself with the coping strategies. They work for me, they'll work for you.
Cleo
14 years ago 0 6252 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
KT

Katie, welcome back. At least you came back. giving up or stopping half way seems to be a pretty common human trait. It is a hold over from a previous time, hunt till your belly is full and then sleep in the sun. I am guilty of this.

I think you stopped when you had coping skills good enough to function. Pretty common that.
Why go on, nicer to sit in the sun. 

The problem is though that you still don't know how to get rid of the panic so all you can do is cope with it. You have built a negative core belief that you are going to have these ups and downs for ever. Now you are building negative thoughts on the belief. Waking in panic because you believe it belongs there because it always comes back. There is my favourite word again, "believe".  You can believe negative or positive. And it doesn't help that we would rather sit in the sun. It will only get worse if you don't do something about it.

So to continue on where you left off. Take the next step look at this thought. (subconscious or not) This thought that says you are going to panic. Why are you going to panic? Well because you do. Not so, some times you don't. Why? Because you have a negative thought that says you will. It is just fear and if you have no reason to fear then you won't. I am not a proponent of the just do it school of thought. I won't tell you to do it till you get used to it because I don't think that works well enough. This is how I did it and you can try it, it works. Perception. Looking at how you look at the situation and changing that thought which will change the negative core belief and leave you nothing to build negative thought on and there by allowing you to sleep because positive thoughts do not keep you awake. (except for desire)

So since you know that you do not have to have thoughts of panic unless you want to, you have to think this and believe it. Really believe it. Is there a reason to have panic. No. No matter what you come up with it is false. Not the same as meeting a bear in the woods, that is a reason to panic and normal. 

Shari calls these negative thoughts dragons and I do too. You can not get rid of them but you can chain them up so they are harmless unless you let them loose. This chaining them up takes time because you are so used to letting them loose.

So back to perception. Not the actual negative core belief but the belief itself. If you change how you look at it it will change also. actually you will bury it with positive thought because you can not actually get it out of memory where it is stored. Am I being confusing.

Take the thought that you will have these negative thoughts when you wake up and tell yourself there is no basis for them. If this does not dispel them then write it down. They are false and there is no reason for them to be there. It is how you are looking at them that allows them to exist. Perception. If this doesn't help get up and get a cup of calming tea and repeat it.
"this is not true" See once you manage to do this then you don't need the coping skill until you do exposure to reinforce it. And you will do exposure because you want it gone for good right.
You want to be able to sleep.

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Davit.
14 years ago 0 356 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
I am familiar with this cycle- you wake up, you start thinking, those thoughts lead to increasing anxiety, and you start worrying about your anxiety robbing you of your sleep, how you'll function in the am when you have to be 'on' for work, so on.
 
Yep, I've been there. It sucks. 
 
Keep posting here, that is one thing that helped me a lot in the last month to get a handle on how to think differently about your anxiety. The words you used in this post stuck out for me: "felt trapped" , "virtually no defenses built up", "dissapointed for not having dealt with this sooner". First, those are all thoughts I've had many times. you are not alone. Second, these thoughts are part of your anxiety. I think of this as the anxiety talking. The reality is that you have some 'defenses' built up, but in the moment, we don't focus on our strengths. we start to feel we have none. Our anxiety makes us feel a trapped feeling. It is horrible. I totally agree.
 
The word defenses stuck out for me. Yes we want to challenge our negative thoughts so as to seperate ourselves from them but defense also gives this idea of being at odds with yourself. You want to see yourself as needing attention and care and nurutring, not someone you have to defend yourself against. I may have mis read or mis interpreted what you meant here but I see the word defenses as maybe part of a belief that you have to protect yourself from your anxiety. I say this as someone who has felt that way myself countless times. and still do when the anxiety ramps up. it is really hard to remain friends with myself in those moments where the anxiety is ramping up. But it makes a difference when I do manage it. It really does.
 
Waking up wiht anxiety is not somethign you are alone in experiencing. You can build those skills you want to build. You can have the sleep you crave having (a full night!).
14 years ago 0 2606 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Hello KT,
 
Welcome to our support community and thank you for sharing this with us. Be sure to work through the program, there are several sessions in the program that will assist you with the panic you are experiencing at night.
 
Members, what are your tips and suggestions for KT? 
 


Samantha, Health Educator
14 years ago 0 18 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Hi everyone, I'm Katie, I was pretty active on this site a few months ago, and then I was on an summer break from grad school, and my anxiety practically vanished into thin air.  This has happened to me before, where I believe that I am over it, and I put off therapy or treatment because I imagine I'll be fine, or I just don't want to deal with the anxiety because I would rather it stays away.  Of course, Monday I started working early mornings at an internship three days a week, and I have woken up with anxiety the past two nights after sleeping for about five hours.  If I wake up enough to turn over, I can insert a thought into my brain almost immediately that triggers panic.  Then it feels like torture having to be "on" when I feel like I am falling apart in the morning.  Getting up early is nothing very new for me, and I have been able to do it even recently without panic, but for whatever reason I am having such a hard time coping with the return of the anxiety this time around.  I feel trapped, like this is going to happen to me any time I start something new, or even any time I have to wake up early in the morning and have virtually no defenses built up yet.  I'm so disappointed in myself for not having dealt with this sooner.  Please, does anyone know how to cope with sleep issues when they happen in the middle of the night?  People who don't have this kind of anxiety just do not understand what I mean when I describe the pain of it.  I just want to sleep.

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