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10 years ago 0 +0 / -0 1562

Yes, the workshop on the book helped me a lot. You may want to listen to them at your liesure.

http://xa-speakers.org/pafiledb.php?action=category&id=13

These 2 fellows together had 100 years of sobriety before they died sober. Very inspiring and informative on how to work the reminder of the steps.

10 years ago 0 +0 / -0 4

I slipped yesterday and it was the same thing. ...i was going to have a couple of drinks and ended up binging. I called my son's father and was really mean. Everything that upsets me about him came out and not in a productive way. It's nice to know I'm not alone and neither are you. If you're on here you want help and that is the first step. Right?

10 years ago 0 +0 / -0 1562

It's making me wonder is abstinence best.

You are in early stages are recovery. Looks like you are caught up in the dilema whether to abstain or moderate. For some, abstinance is the only way. The problem though, not all could stay off booze without help. That is the next phase of fact finding for some people. Few cannot simply accept the fact that they are bodily and mentally different from others. They go through various options and eventually if they are lucky find a solution.

This is what the Doctor had to say:

All these, and many others, have one symptom in common: they cannot start drinking without developing the phenomenon of craving. This phenomenon, as we have suggested, may be the manifestation of an allergy which differentiates these people, and sets them apart as a distinct entity. It has never been, by any treatment with which we are familiar, permanently eradicated. The only relief we have to suggest is entire abstinence.

This immediately precipitates us into a seething caldron of debate. Much has been written pro and con, but among physicians, the general opinion seems to be that most chronic drinkers are doomed.

10 years ago 0 +0 / -0 1009

Regarding the allergy to alcohol, here's what Healthline says.....

http://www.healthline.com/health/allergies/alcohol

Alcohol Allergies

Although rare, alcohol allergies can be severe if not properly treated. Learn more about the symptoms and treatments for alcohol allergies.True alcohol allergies are rare but the reactions can be severe. What most people believe to be an alcohol allergy is actually a reaction to an allergen in the alcohol such as barley, hops, yeast, rye, wheat, gluten, histamines (often found in red wine), and sulphites (white wines). Often, people refer to alcohol intolerance as an alcohol allergy and vice versa. Those with a true alcohol allergy should avoid drinking.

Symptoms

In people with true alcohol allergies, even a small amount of alcohol can cause symptoms such as stomach cramps, difficulty breathing, and even collapse. A person with an aldehyde dehydrogenase deficiency will usually experience flushing and may also have symptoms such as nausea or rapid heartbeat. Reactions to various ingredients in alcoholic beverages will experience different symptoms........(the whole article is on the link..)

10 years ago 0 +0 / -0 1562

I had a glass of wine with dinner and I just went totally out of control.

Back in 1920s, a doctor named Silkworth, because there wasn't much studies made on metabolism figured out that there was something wrong physically with certain segment of the population. When this kind of people had a drink or two, he observed, they go totally out of control and this is what he had to say:

We believe, and so suggested a few years ago, that the action of alcohol on these chronic alcoholics is a manifestation of an allergy; that the phenomenon of craving is limited to this class and never occurs in the average temperate drinker. These allergic types can never safely use alcohol in any form at all; and once having formed the habit and found they cannot break it, once having lost their self-confidence, their reliance upon things human, their problems pile up on them and become astonishingly difficult to solve.

10 years ago 0 +0 / -0 12049

Eva,

Great support and thoughts from Dave!

Proof is in the behaviour, its your mind and body talking to you, so prepare to listen. You are well versed and organized on moderating, so perhaps take it a little step further and try abstaining all together. You don't want a repeat of the other night and it may help you progress and understand your addiction better.

Let us know how you do and how we can help,

Josie, Health Educator

10 years ago 0 +0 / -0 1009

Hi Eva,

What you describe is pretty common with pretty much everyone on the forum here. Speaking for myself, I am much the same way. Moderation works for a while and then the drinking seems to escalate until I reach a point like you describe. Not drinking at all has been a much more pleasant experience for me. We seem to get quite unnerved by the fact the prospect yet it is quite the opposite once you live it because life gets much better and you have the resources and space to deal with what is driving the problem in the first place. It takes work and the majority of people learn to manage drinking in a controlled way. One needs to "de-bug" the program though to get it working properly. Try the abstinence and see how it goes. You learn a lot more about the problem that way than running in maintenance mode with moderation, as you are right now. Take the time to give yourself the freedom to choose how you want to live.

Hope this helps and post lots! It will help sort itself out.

Best regards,

Dave

10 years ago 0 +0 / -0 9

I'm feeling really rubbish today. I have been doing quite well moderating my drinking, it doesn't come naturally and takes a lot of planning but I had a big slip last night. I had a glass of wine with dinner and I just went totally out of control. I can't explain it but it's an overwhelming urge to drink everything and anything I can get my hands on and that's exactly what I did. It's so self destructive but I woke up not remembering a thing and by midday a few people who had been there were reminding me. It's making me wonder is abstinence best. I just couldn't see myself never drinking again.

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