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10 years ago 0 77 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Thanks Dave
 
I am not one to talk about nutrition. I gained so much weight when I was drinking that I felt that I needed to take some fairly drastic steps to loose weight. I eat very few carbs and no sugar. To be honest, I don't eat properly at all but I do take multi vitamins. I have lost 16 lb which isn't a bad thing in some ways. It has helped me in that I am pleased with the way I look again and I will not put that at risk by starting to drink and pilinig on the pounds again.
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What a great post Wendy and thanks for sharing your experience and success. 10 weeks is absolutely fantastic! Well done! 

Question for you......have you changed your nutrition significantly? I ask because I keep getting people form various aspects of my life that are finding juicing to have a major impact on their lives, and one has said their cravings have gone away because of it and it's really balancing out their lives. 

Best regards,

Dave
10 years ago 0 77 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Hi
I'm back to put in my 'two eggs' again !  No, it isn't all about AA and I am grateful for that. It didn't work for me and until I found this forum, I didn't think there was any other way.
 
As I have said in other posts, I'm sure AA is the solution for many people, but not for every person. It wasn't the solution for me. Getting control of my addictive voice, using the rational recovery website and posting here, not to mention lots of prayer is what has helped me. My mother used to say 'God helps those who help themselves'. I've learned in my life there is a lot of truth in that. Sometimes I think we just have to accept responsibility for our actions. No one put a gun to my head and forced me to drink. It is something that IS within my power to control. The idea of 'powerlessness' was for me a great excuse to just say, oh well, I don't have control over anything in my life, I'm powerless over alcohol, might as well carry on drinking.
 
So, for anyone who is sufferring with a drinking problem, please search and try everything you can find. Eventually you will find what works for you. There are other options if AA isn't the right one for you. And there is hope. Reading this forum will prove that as there are many who have worked hard and now have their lives back. And it is hard work, there is no magic, quick, or easy option. I am 10+ weeks free of alcohol and I thank God for that.
 
Never quit quitting.
God bless
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Does everything have to be about AA? 
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I suppose I need new hobbies which would allow to make different friends but how?

The founders of AA had answered this question about 79 years ago: 

"How is that to come about?" you ask. "Where am I to find these people?"

You are going to meet these new friends in your own community. Near you, alcoholics are dying helplessly like people in a sinking ship. If you live in a large place, there are hundreds. High and low, rich and poor, these are future fellows of Alcoholics Anonymous. Among them you will make lifelong friends. You will be bound to them with new and wonderful ties, for you will escape disaster together and you will commence shoulder to shoulder your common journey. Then you will know what it means to give of yourself that others may survive and rediscover life. You will learn the full meaning of "Love thy neighbor as thyself."

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Dave I like your post about fear. We have to find better things to control our fear? And or face it? My triggers seem to be home too, any chance my girlfriend is gone and I have the house for a bit it's show time. My friends all seem to be in the same boat as me and want to drink so in recovery calling them seems silly. I suppose I need new hobbies which would allow to make different friends but how?
10 years ago 0 52 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Soooo I said I would update the weekend and it went bad.

We got very drunk and kicked out of the bar. My friend went absolutely postal and kept screaming how she hates me and going on and on about it. We had to physically restrain her from running out into the night.

Well she did run out. 

took a cab back home (over $200) we were worried sick she messaged me at 5am and was home.

I got home and crawled into bed and cried. I called my best friend from back home and she was at a party and handed the phone around to every one of our old friends and they told me how much they love me.

It was what I needed. My friend apologized like crazy and i forgave her. But I will never have another drink with her. 

I asked a guy I know to check out an aa meeting with me. I know I wont go alone. im gonna check it out. 
10 years ago 0 52 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
I relate to you sian and toxicsoul, I definitely will drink at home and I isolate myself to avoid embarassing drunk sessions.

I dont drink as much at home because i dont have as much access as I do when i am out at the pubs or parties so I feel like home is safer but it's true its not the triggers necessarily but the problem with alcohol. 

I straight up avoid binge drinking buddies now because even if we hang out and not drink, even being around them the cravings are so intense. Like you said sian, some ppl have just disappeared.

One friend I have had since I was 20 I only talk to on the phone now, he understands, because even spending time with him sober I end up running to the bottle the second he leaves or I used my addict convincing skills to talk him into just one, next thing you know i've woken up from a binge session. 

I joined a floor hockey team recently to do somethin other than get drunk and have a positive activity. Unfortunately there is talk of after we win a game that we wil all head to the bar for a session and I know I cant go to that because I know i might over do it.

 I think practicing saying no is a good idea, I can try that.

I find some ppl I wont drink around, and its all them and their power. There are certain friends that i know i can just steam roll them into a second pitcher. Like my cousin, whom i am close with, we now mainly go to sci fi movies because i know how easily it is for me to be like, J let's just go for some beers resulting in a binge fest. 

We are going for drinks this weekend with someone from our hometown and im nervous about it cuz i dont want to go crazy. I will update you guys if it goes well. 

I am just a binge drinker, not really dependent, though I have binge habits that i try to break. Ex I volunteer in the mornings sometimes on weekends, i find having that weekend plan that i dont want to blow off helps me not to give in. Positive reinforcement is good too, i woke up a sat morning without a hangover (rare for me) and i was like this is great, i feel great. 

Lately i have been having a beer or two after work with dinner. I know its not a great plan since it could escalate but it hasnt been bad at all. I bought a six pack sunday and I still have beer in the fridge. A few months ago that wouldnt have been at all possible so I feel like that's a bit of a win.

I also made it through a work event only having half a glass of wine (6 months ago I got wasted at a work event and mbarassed myself in front of colleagues, (thank god our clients had left already, luckily it was a 2nd offence in two years and only led to a bit of ribbing)

I went to a dinner party and had one glass of wine, that is a win. I tend to down four or five at these types of things, or have the one and go home to a bottle by myself. 

I think part if it is my feelings toward myself...i care way too much what other ppl think. People strongly influence me and I can quickly tell the ppl who will show restrain with drinking and those who will let me tlak them into a a few more glasses. I try to only have a drink with the former. 

But I dont want to have to do these silly tricks, I want to be able to manage myself. 

PS I also have only admitted to a few ppl that i have a drinking problem because every time i do, they tell me i don't. They don't get it because they cant feel my struggle, they just see that i sometimes have no problem controlling myself and assume the other times are the one of, but its quite the opposite. 
10 years ago 0 1009 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Hi Jacq,

Regarding the triggers and the binge drinking, what I found was, in the majority of cases for myself, situations led to drinking and the binge drinking was something that went along with it. I suppose the difference between binge drinking and full-blown alcohol dependence is the fact there is an interlude between sessions? I would often limit my drinking when I was out in a social situation but that wasn't necessarily the problem. My problem was being home. So when I look at it, a key "trigger" for me was the freedom of my own household.  Having a beer before dinner or hanging around the pool in the summer. These were situations and rituals I could anticipate with consistency and build my drinking patterns and strategies around them. This planning was "progressive to excessive" if you know what I mean. And being at home one has the luxury of creating an environment that hides the excess from those around them (or so they kid themselves into believing). It also offers one the opportunity to control the situation (light-bulb!), where they don't feel they are under a microscope of judgement and are free to over-indulge as they see fit. After-all, it is my house and I decide how I want to live. It's a case hiding in plain sight. Alcohol abuse is something we like to keep hidden and that creates a secret life we hide from those around us. Strangely, we learn to find freedom in our secrecy and this secret life we build for ourselves, something that becomes especially easy to do if you come from a home with the rampant craziness of alcohol abuse.  How I came to avoid that trigger was to tell my family I quit. How one deals with triggers when they also deal with challenges like OCD or depression can even more complicated. 

For situations outside the house, I planned them and put a lot of thought into what I would say to those around me as to why I wasn't drinking and mentally rehearsed the conversations to reduce the anxiety of the moment of saying "No thanks". That was incredibly helpful as I practiced ahead of time to maintain my control. It also affords you the opportunity to understand why the situation may be a trigger. Remove the ammo from the gun and you can't shoot yourself. And that is essentially what we have to do when we quit. All of those maladaptive strategies and irrational beliefs that led to this problem must be removed from the gun or we may keep shooting ourselves in the foot. About a month ago I went to a dinner and the person beside me got very aggressive and pushy trying to get me to have a beer. I was surprised by  my reaction. Normally "No thanks" does it but this time he kept pushing and I quietly let him have it with a very sharp declination to his offer! I quite enjoyed it actually and it re-enforced my resolve. 

One other thing......don't forget to say something like "since I haven't been drinking I find I enjoy life a lot more now". Positive re-enforcement has a very powerful effect and you program your mind for acceptance of this attitude. Call it "Replacement therapy" :)

All the best,

Dave
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Is it really the triggers that are the problem or is it the bullets in the gun? Perhaps situations can appear as a trigger but what gives them the power to shoot yourself with a bullet of alcohol? Why does anyone pull a trigger? Perhaps to try and protect themselves for fear that something bad will happen? Maybe to assert control over that fear? 

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