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Anti-Smoking Ordinances...What's your opinion?


18 years ago 0 327 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Rusty, we already are the nic nazis.....you can't smoke at the beach where I live. I don't like it' but, if we are going to be nazis about something, tobacco is not a bad choice. I like the idea that kids will no longer find smoking to be "cool". We have certainly seen some big changes in our lifetime, huh. NOPE, Janet [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B] 7/23/2005 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 175 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 3,519 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] $875 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 23 [B]Hrs:[/B] 4 [B]Mins:[/B] 58 [B]Seconds:[/B] 3
18 years ago 0 92 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Very controversial subject. I don't smoke but what's next, big brother coming into your home and telling you you can't smoke. I live in CT and you can't smoke anywhere anymore. They got really tough on alot of establishments. The bARS HATE IT CUZ THEY ARE LOSING ALOT OF MONEY. They are building outdoor areas now to smoke, but it's too damn cold in New England to go outside to light up. So that's the scoop, very hard subject to debate. [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B] 6/12/2005 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 219 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 4,396 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] $985.5 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 29 [B]Hrs:[/B] 16 [B]Mins:[/B] 33 [B]Seconds:[/B] 45
18 years ago 0 5195 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
UFO�..I love your analogy. Ignorance is bliss. Change is good but those caught up in the shifting process often experience the growing pains that go along with development. I believe the changes we are seeing in our society are the direct results years of research and education. Whether you agree or disagree with the political side of this issue, you have to admit that the inconvenience does make it harder to excuse the addiction. My main reason for quitting was the fact it was too inconvenient to do anymore. I really did get tired of fighting for my fixes. I agree with Blueberry that many years from now people will look back and wonder why so many people smoked. Let�s be honest here, I�ve been quit for six months and I�m looking back over the last 23 years, shaking my head wondering What in the world was I thinking? Look what I was doing to myself. I also agree with Rusty that intimidating and terrorizing the addict is no solution. Nice post. I love a great debate! [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B] 7/1/2005 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 198 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 3,969 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] $693 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 17 [B]Hrs:[/B] 11 [B]Mins:[/B] 45 [B]Seconds:[/B] 23
18 years ago 0 2830 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Vicki, Rusty, Pen & all who disagree with this, What kind of message do you think smoking doctors and nurses sends to patients? Just like if I were to walk into a classroom full of 5th graders and tell them all about the dangers of smoking and that smoking is an addiction, and can kill you, and yet I reek of cigarette smoke, what message am I sending? How is that any different than the doctors and nurses who tell patients that they have to quit smoking or they will die? Do you think that those patients will listen for one second if they smell smoke on the doctor's breath as he's telling her to quit smoking? Come on now! I think that hospitals SHOULD regulate that, for their sake, their employees' sakes AND their patients' sakes. What kind of message would they be sending if they didn't? Crave the Quit! Butterfly [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B] 10/28/2005 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 80 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 2,020 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] $264 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 5 [B]Hrs:[/B] 20 [B]Mins:[/B] 43 [B]Seconds:[/B] 31
18 years ago 0 2830 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Taildragger, I think you have a good point about the anti-smoking campaigns and yet very few programs to help people quit. I think that's because most people don't understand addiction. First of all, a very large number of people think that smoking is just a "bad habit" and not an addiction and those who will admit that it's an addiction have no idea what it's like to overcome one. That, and people just simply don't feel sorry for smokers whatsoever. They don't understand the addiction and don't care to. Until more people understand the addiction (which won't happen unless they experience it themselves) then I don't see this problem changing. Yes, I am all for the anti-smoking legistation, but I'm also for helping people quit this addiction and educating smokers who want to know more about it and who want to better their lives by quitting. I would LOVE to see more programs to help people quit... and I hope we do in the near future. Crave the Quit! Butterfly [IMG]http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c177/kissnflirt/littlebutterfly2.gif[/IMG] [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B] 10/28/2005 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 79 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 1,998 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] $260.7 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 5 [B]Hrs:[/B] 19 [B]Mins:[/B] 13 [B]Seconds:[/B] 37
18 years ago 0 2830 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Penitent, If this new rule causes even one person to quit and stick with the quit for good, don't you think it's worth it? To get people to wake up and finally realize that what they are doing to themselves, their families and others around them is serious and dangerous, is a good plan to me. Crave the Quit! Butterfly [IMG]http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c177/kissnflirt/butterfly3.gif[/IMG] [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B] 10/28/2005 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 79 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 1,975 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] $260.7 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 5 [B]Hrs:[/B] 17 [B]Mins:[/B] 37 [B]Seconds:[/B] 46
18 years ago 0 2830 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
I am all for it! The reason I say that is because I come from a family of nurses (about 5 or 6 of them)... all smoking nurses. And my "excuse" that I came up with was always, "well, if all of the nurses in my family smoke, and they know all of the bad stuff that can happen to you if you smoke, then it must not be that bad." Well, as a smoker, I didn't really NEED an excuse (I would have come up with another one if that one wasn't available) but I think that people in the health field have an obligation to set an example. That's just my personal opinion. Just like I, as a future teacher, will have the same responsibility to set a good example for my students. Afterall, if I come into a classroom smelling like smoke and then proceed to tell them how bad smoking is for you, what kind of message will that send to my students? I believe that the health care industry has the same responsibility. Now if it were a different field, then I'm not sure how I would feel. I'm sort of torn on anti-smoking legislation across the board, but in this case, and in the case of schools, I am all for it. Crave the Quit! Butterfly [IMG]http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c177/kissnflirt/butterfly3.gif[/IMG] [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B] 10/28/2005 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 78 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 1,972 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] $257.4 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 5 [B]Hrs:[/B] 17 [B]Mins:[/B] 25 [B]Seconds:[/B] 46
18 years ago 0 563 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Pentient, One thing about smoking.. it doesn't discriminate.. it's an Equal Opportunity Killer. Is that fair enough for you? [b][color=Purple]Be Strong. Be Smart. Be Quit[/color] [color=black]Joe[/color] [size=3][color=Blue]Knowledge Replaces Fear[/color][/size] [size=2][color=black]Illegitimus non carborundum est[/color][/size][/b] [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B] 5/15/2005 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 244 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 6,124 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] $597.8 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 42 [B]Hrs:[/B] 20 [B]Mins:[/B] 55 [B]Seconds:[/B] 42
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18 years ago 0 563 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
I believe that an employer has the absolute right to dictate who works for him. If an employer wants drug free/tobacco free workers, he should be able to test for it. I know that it's a fine line we walk when it comes to testing people for things that happen off company property, and misuse can occur, but something like that should be monitored very closely. I can certainly see it's positive side. When I have 1 year quit, I will get with my insurance company and ask for a reduction in rates. I have been told by them that if I quit smoking, and stay quit, I will get perferred rates. The catch is that I have to submit to a blood test when I apply for those rates, and then be tested every year thereafter to insure I'm in compliance. I can't wait to roll up my sleeve! Is that fair? You bet it is! How different is that from requiring an employee to do the same? Not very. Smokers need a wakeup call. If it takes pressure from their employers, then so be it. (am I a nasty reformed smoker or what?? :p ) [b][color=Green]Be Strong. Be Smart. Be Quit.[/color] [color=black]Joe[/color] [size=3][color=Blue]Knowledge Replaces Fear[/color][/size] [size=2][color=black]Illegitimus non carborundum est[/color][/size][/b] [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B] 5/15/2005 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 246 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 6,164 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] $602.7 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 43 [B]Hrs:[/B] 3 [B]Mins:[/B] 31 [B]Seconds:[/B] 10
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18 years ago 0 2027 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Personally, I'm strongly against anti-smoking ordinances. I have no problem with the various governments banning smoking on [u]their[/u] properties, but they have no business forcing it on private enterprise. I do think, though, the governments have a duty to protect individuals who desire protection. To that end, I believe the appropriate course of action would be through zoning ordinances. Require that businesses choose to be either smoking, non-smoking, or both, and require that choice be posted blatently at all entrances. The smoke-free choice should include the entire property. Non-smokers who go to a smoke-free establisment should not have to pass through a cloud as they enter or leave. Those choosing smoking could still cater to non-smokers, but the non-smokers would not have any complaint about being there. They were informed. Those choosing both must meet building codes that will prevent any mixing of air between the two sides. No more smoking/non-smoking areas separated by a lattice. Staff would not be allowed to go from one side to the other. In the case of a resturant, this may even necessitate two separate kitchens. Smoking would not be allowed outside the smoking side since it could not be controlled and may drift to the non-smoking side. Rusty, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one. I think hospitals should prohibit smoking on their property. They work so hard to save people who have screwed up their bodies with smoking, I think it is quite hypocritical to allow it. I know how hard it is with a loved one in the hospital, and how smoking seemed to provide me with a moment's "relief" while I was there. I also remember the guilt I felt over being outside having a cigarette while my Dad and, later, my wife were up there alone with things hooked up and stuck in them. My 2 cents. Shevie [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B] 5/23/2005 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 238 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 4,762 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] $904.4 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 44 [B]Hrs:[/B] 9 [B]Mins:[/B] 20 [B]Seconds:[/B] 5

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