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It's More than Okay to be Selfish


16 years ago 0 101 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
it would be SO...oooo much easier to just walk out of his life and forget about grandkids. After all, I had resigned myself to having none when he announced that we were lousy parents and he didn't want kids. (My oldest son's wife had chemo and bone marrow transplant and can't have children and my daughter, who is 23, thinks she'll wait until she is 40!) I am really worried about the upcoming visit. But I feel that I have to force myself to do it. I am scared of a relapse. And I am not sure I am ready. I scheduled 5 days. I hope I can make it through. Any hint at criticism of DIL's parents sets off major reaction. They are perfect and I am a piece of dirt.
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dumpling, You are doing the right thing by communicating and keeping the lines open. Continue to talk to your family and work this out. Challenge those negative thoughts and push forward :) Josie, Support Specialist
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Patrick, Thanks for the tough love and for sharing your thoughts. You have every right to focus and be selfish. If you are good to yourself, your body and mind will follow. Take care of you, first and foremost, and give yourself the credit you deserve :) Josie, Support Specialist
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Hey, I do what I can. My wife says that she can't be supportive of me in my condition because she needs someone to be supportive of her. I try to be, but most of the time it just isn't good enough and sometimes I just can't.
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continued... DIL spoke but was monotone and only as needed, but was "normal" to hubby. Son left the room when we entered. The other grandparents were fine. Daughter (who, since August lives with and works for son) was supportive. I left in a state of suicidal depression. Hubby left furious. I blamed my self for not holding my temper. Got home Sept 1, back on Effexor, still suicidal. Made an appointment with DR for several weeks later (too many other commitments on my part). And when I got there she was sick. Her replacement told me I should try to be the happy, fun grandma and the kids would come to me. But I did decide that it was time to be selfish. I wrote to the other grandparents. I told them that I did not mind them spoiling the grandkids, but I wanted a chance to spoil them too. And I could not do so if they were there when I was. And that for special days, perhaps I could come the week before and stay for the special day and they could come the special day and stay the week after. They have not responded. To schedule pleasant events, I e-mailed my son 2 weeks ago and asked if I could come down the last week of Oct. He said they were planning a business trip but would ask his wife if they could leave the kids behind. I offered to coordinate the trip to babysit. No response. I wrote last week and he said the visit was OK but his wife 'might ' stay home. So I have booked tickets, told the other grandparents when i would be there, but I am VERY nervous. Hubby refuses to go.
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You are right but as women we are conditioned to be the nurturers and feel selfish demanding it. Many of my recent episodes have been triggered at least partially by my #2 son. He was angry when I didn't "support" him properly during his divorce six years ago. I thought I was, by trying to get him to talk to me about his decision and make sure that he wasn't making a mistake. He said it was because he didn't want children (and she did) because we were such crappy parents and his father was always working and never there for him. He didn't want to marry again so his girlfriend got "accidentally " pregnant (and he dumb enough to believe it)as soon as the divorce was final. So I attended the baby shower and developed a relationship with DIL #2. And helped her with the fancy wedding she wanted a year after they got married. Her wealthy parents found them a house 3 blocks from where they lived (3000 miles from me) and #2 son took over their family business. Her parents were there every day and so when I came to visit the baby would cry if I picked her up because she didn't know me. Their second daughter (my son's idea) was better because she rarely got attention but it has taken 4 years for them both to know me when I come. They moved but her parents now stay with them 8 months of the year and have their own room in their new house. I have told #2 son that visits go well when her parents stay away but he just tells me to talk to his wife. So at my last visit the first day we had the kids to ourselves and it was great. But then the other grandparents arrived with a $300 camera for the 4 year old and Christian Dior dresses for both. And I overheard the other grandma telling the nanny that I should not be allowed to be alone with the kids in the pool because I was too fat to take care of them (5'7", 200 #). I had just had another 10 pound weight jump due to low thyroid levels so this cut deeply but I bit my tongue. And I bit my tongue when she pointed out the furniture they had bought my son and DIL and the $20,000 area rug, that really was worth more because young girls go blind making them. And bit my tongue when they took the kids with them leaving us (hubby & I) alone during the day and slept with them at night so I couldn't even put them to bed. But when I found out that they were timing their visit to stay as long as we were and leave when we left I lost it. I told my husband about the remark and how I felt and we decided to quietly leave immediately. But my son phoned, looking for his FIL, and I answered it thinking he might want to talk to us. I yelled at him; he told hid in laws to leave. I refused to let them and we stayed one more day and left early. #2 son did not speak to either of us
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(Continued from below) ...the bad balls to say "Jeez, I can't take this anymore, Mary! I'm going to leave you because you're making my life difficult." We didn't sign pre-nuptials to exclude future depression or quadraplegia in our spouses. It's part of commitment, part of marriage. It is a framework of love. Don't be afraid to be "selfish". Enough of this shame and guilt and embarrassment. if your spouse is that crumbly at the edges maybe you need to think about why you're still with him. If he really thinks you're just a "drama queen" then he doesn't see you at all. He is seeing women as cardboard cut-outs with a role. What you need is a friend and companion and if he can't be tht then you'll be wise to re-think it all.
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I'm seeing a pattern here where people are posting really well and often but there's a tendency to apologise because you think that you're being selfish and that your illness doesn'tdeserve time and patience from either you or your loved ones. What is this? You're hiding your tears, you're locking yourselves in your rooms, you're not saying what's wrong with you to your husbands (spouses) ad you're not getting pissed when people tell you to "pull your socks up" "Man up", "Get over yourself" "Stop pitying yourself" and all the other put downs that spouses and friends and family can throw at you. Get selfish! Turn it around in your head: would you threaten to take a hike if your husband started whinging and whining because he was coughing and spluttering from bronchitis and still insisted on smoking cigarettes?? It's frustrating and not smart but we don't threaten to split because we have been annoyed three days in a row by ill-advised behaviour. We marry for love and friendship and we get sick and we help each other over the illnesses that come along. We don't sign pre-nuptials that exclude future responsibility for depression or quadraplegia in a spouse! We expect blind and/or deaf people to cope with the world and learn skills to get around their disabilities. There are adults, men and women, going blind right now who are having to deal with the depression and the need to learn skills to deal with a senior-life without sight or hearing. That's concrete, isn't it. "Hey, she's going blind, it's okay for her to be a "burden"." Well, there's no need to feel 'inferior' just because you are MDD and need more love and attention from your spouse and families. It is an illness. We are ill. We have remissions, we can get those remissions from medications: we are not cured (if we are chronic MDD-ers)and the pain and the suffering will come again. We are not to be kicked to the kerb because our spouses don't 'get it'! They must educate themselves about the condition. It's part of being married. Okay. I will admit this. I was aware (diagnosed) of my illness-MDD in my mid-forties and I lived alone after the collapse of my marriage for a long time. When I was stabilised and 'ready' for a relationship I made sure that my more-than-a-few-dates girlfriends knew up front that I suffered from MDD and that I was still learning to cope with the thing. Nobody got into a lasting thing with me without knowing full well about my depressive nature. Now, some of you have developed MDD AFTER you married and that can be a shock for your spouses but I still feel that they should be the ones to "man up" and understand what MDD is really all about. It's not the "blues", it's not self-pity, it's a chemical imbalance problem that doesn't get fixed like you fix the fan belt in your car. I know that, for most of you, this is unsophisticated stuff here. But we get like children when we lose the seratonin and tumble into the abyss. We lose perspective and blame ourselves for being "bad". We apologise for being "bad". We are afraid to lose the love but we can't keep hiding and pretending; depression doesn't cooperate with us and let us off like we had a cold for 5 days sort-of-thing. We deserve to be understood by our loved ones. Screw all that shame and guilt and embarrassment an all the other medieval emotions we conjure up to bash ourselves to death when we manifest depression. Don't you expect to hold up your spouse when he falls? Don't you expect him to hold you up when you fall into depression? It's your right in a marriage to demand that very real and necessary aspect of love. I'm prompted to write this diatribe because I see 99% of depressives on here are women and married women to boot and I would be ashamed to be the husband of a woman with depression and have the bad balls to say "Jeez

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