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10 years ago 0 85 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Hi Davit
I had a success of sorts last night. I woke up in panic at about 1 AM. I went through the challenge questions and for about an hour I kept getting waves and waves of panic and thoughts of having a serious illness but I kept at it- I pointed out all the reasons why this is just the same panic attack symptoms that I experience all the time. (Although my body tried to fool me into thinking they were different. Eventually my exhaustion kicked in - it was stronger than the sensations and I fell asleep. I woke up still anxious this morning but I felt victorious. :-)
I think today will be a good one.

Davit - any tips on how to reduce adrenalin in ones system?  
10 years ago 0 6252 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Naa

You won't find a list of coping skills. they are things you build yourself and are specific to you. They all have one thing n common. They take your mind somewhere else for a moment to break the negative thought caused by the trigger. They also work for anxiety and if used before anxiety can accelerate there will be no panic. They vary in time depending on how bad the anxiety or panic is. 

An example. (true) I was at John and Anna's closing out sale. This was back during my panic period. I was buying a belt I needed. There were more people there than I like and it was a small store. John started to talk to me, we had worked together in the bush as fallers. The added information was enough to trigger panic, I wanted to run. I looked at the floor and thought something entirely unrelated for about a good minute, maybe more. It was enough that when I looked up again the panic was tolerable. John probably thought I was thinking on a question he asked. The anxiety was still there but not to the point where I had to escape. I had to do it a couple more times before I paid for the belt and left. I also had to convince myself everything was okay by looking at the fact that when I did look up everything was. A distraction and a positive thought in this case is a coping skill. Being able to sit and stretch would have made it better.

A coping skill can be as simple as doing dishes or as complex as spending an hour in my shop. All it has to do is take your mind somewhere else long enough to break the cycling that is anxiety. Sticking your hands under cold water. Try to make it something you can't override. Try to make it something that will take your mind somewhere else just long enough that you can say "there is nothing wrong". It is harder than relaxation but works well with it. 

Check out counters always have magazines because they know people are going to get anxious and look for a distraction and will look at the magazines or add a chocolate bar to their purchases. You will buy something you don't want for the distraction. For you it is a distraction, for them it is an extra sale.

Don't question recovery, that is negative just accept it will happen, that is positive. If this doesn't work think up answers to why it will.

There is one coping skill here, it is called ten questions. It works.

Davit.
10 years ago 0 85 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Glad you are past the point where triggers can be problematic. I agree with your statement on setback. I was doing well a few weeks ago and then I began to look for my anxiety and it came... How does one just move on and stop questioning recovery??? Now I'm struggling even more than before. 
By the way where do I find the coping skills?
10 years ago 0 6252 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Naa

I was just stating a fact, not complaining Lol. It is exposure for me and not a problem. I can't say it is pleasant but knowing it can't affect me is. I was like you are now but worse so I still remember what it was like but it is fading. Nothing ever leaves memory, it just gets buried. The more you work on positives the quicker it gets buried and the harder it is to access it. We think of this as forgetting when actually it is buried from lack of use. Some people have fantastic memories. How well I remember things depends on how often I use them. So I remember some things better than others. This includes experiences that are not mine. If I understand it I can feel others pain. There has been a lot of pain here in the four years I have been here. Some days I feel it more than others, but I am here because I want to be. My therapist calls it vicarious. It is my personality. You will not likely have it happen to you. There has been a far more than usual amount of trauma in my life and look at me, I'm fine. I've had worse nightmares than last night. I don't want anyone to get as bad as I was and will do anything they want to keep them from getting there. I survived it, I can handle it. 

You have the right attitude, one day at a time. You won't actually notice a point when it starts to leave. What happens is one day you notice it isn't happening as often as it was. This usually causes a set back because the person goes looking for it to see if it was real. And if you look hard enough you can find it. I did that last night but look how easy it was to get rid of it again. 

So do the relaxation skills and coping skills till you do them without thinking and end every thought and action with a positive even if you don't feel that way. Then work on your core beliefs and here you will need someone close to help you find the negative ones so you can change them and get rid of the triggers. In that order please, we want this to work.

Davit.

PS, I'm having a better than average day so I'm off to the library. That was where I had my first real bad panic attack. No problem any more and very little memory of it.
10 years ago 0 85 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Well done - fixing the tractor. I take it you farm???
10 years ago 0 85 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Hi Davit, I'm sorry if this was a trigger for you. You have been very helpful in this short time and I really appreciate it. it's a lot to digest but it all makes so much sense. I have to learn to take it one day at a time.
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This all sounds confusing, and I know what I'm saying. Anyway we are still at changing negative thought to positive by changing thought patterns. Changing thought patterns will change how we look at negatives so we can use them or lose them without panic or anxiety becoming an attack. There will always be triggers, the object here is to make them as harmless as a street crossing light.

Davit

Tractors are back running and out of the way. And I am happy. These things no longer trigger panic or depression in me.

10 years ago 0 6252 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
With panic disorder we exaggerate the focus on negatives. It is not always clear why or what set it off. But since it is here we have to reverse it and get the focus back where it belongs which is actually a balance of negative (survival skills) and positive (calming skills). But mostly we need to be able to switch from one to the other without getting stuck in the negatives. (panic attack)

So with this exaggerated focus on negatives anything negative gets grabbed and expanded till it covers the positives that were with it in the information I posted here. 

I was up at four in the morning getting a cup of Lemon Balm tea (I'm not a fan of hot milk) and giving myself a lecture because I did just that. And I'm one of the cured. I went right back to sleep and there were no consequences or rebound like there would have been with a Benzo that would have done the same thing.

A combination of stress and core beliefs is believed to be the factor that sets us on the panic attack road. how much stress depends on the persons tolerance. A fighter pilot does not necessarily handle stress better than a farmer say.

Being close to panic sets you up to look at everything in survival mode. Fine for the fighter pilot who doesn't have a panic disorder. He looks at the triggers, sorts them out and discards the ones he does't need. Not so with us. We look at the negatives and look for associated negatives. And we find them because we have lots and are living in them. 
So the information I posted here is about negatives and just reading it is enough to attach it to other negatives in memory, in your case your triggers. In my case, my triggers. Reading posts here can trigger me. But I have CBT. I have subconscious ways to focus on positives instead. But at night my guard is down because that very primitive need to protect one self is still there. It always will be. 
You know that when you have a night mare it is terrifying till you accept it happened and that there is nothing there. You want to be able to do this with panic attacks till they no longer happen. And it will but it takes work. It takes a change in thought patterns so you don't grab on to every negative thing and focus on it for longer than the minimum amount of time necessary to discard it as not necessary.

Anger can stop panic, because it is a solution whereas a panic attack is fight or flight because there is no solution. Anger unless it is a core belief will not trigger panic. Anything that is a solution will stop panic. Acceptance is a solution, fighting it is not.

benzo's do not get rid of a trigger they just block it. It usually comes back when it wears off. If one is lucky it happens when a person can handle it. CBT gets rid of the trigger by proving it wrong, it only comes back if you bring it back. Core beliefs will bring it back.

Davit
10 years ago 0 6252 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
I will be back, I have to fix a tractor and get it out of my potato patch.

Naa, I do have an explanation.

Davit.
10 years ago 0 6252 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
I'm having trouble with my server, I keep getting logged out and losing my post.

Davit

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