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dealing with what was hiding underneath the anxiety

Hi Stewed,
 
thanks for this. what is a talk group? can you talk more about what that is? I do feel the need to talk out a lot of what i'm goingthrough right now and i don't have anyone to talk it out with who can listen without reacting. that is key. 
 
i have come around to the realization that i need a good counselor who will support me, provide insight and light the path to some degree, and console me when the emotions come up. i hope i find that, i am sure if i try out a few i'll click with someone.

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dealing with what was hiding underneath the anxiety

Hi  Red,
 
thanks for the advice. I"ll go check it out for sure. 
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i posted this in the 'coping with setbacks' because i wasn't sure if what i am encountering is another layer of anxiety, or if it is a set of emotions that the anxiety was 'covering up' or a bit of both.
 
like most things in life, its probably a bit of both. 
 
 its not really a 'setback' per se for me to realize that even with cbt, i could use help processing the emotions that have been locked away inside me for so long and are being triggered by normal every day events lately. for a long time, managing my anxiety was where i had to put all my energy. even when i didn't know it, i was suppressing anxiety which took a lot of energy. i only see that in hindsight by being able to have experiences now that are not ruled by trying to suppress or manage my anxiety. i get more out of experiences because i can be in the experience, not focused on the anxiety (which was done mostly subconsciously). i was often short with people because i was trying to suppress the anxiety i was feeling about being late for example. now i can acknowledge when i feel anxious, and remind myself to take a step back. sometimes.
 
i wanted to post to share more of my experience for those hoping to see how this process has worked for others. i am aware of the 2 parallel experiences i'm having when i am anxious now; i have experiences and then i have anxiety about how i feel about the experience. the anxiety is impairing my relationship with others and with myself because it 'pulls' me away from having the experience. like going out with a friend for coffee. if i am anxious about whether she likes me or not, im' struggling to enjoy my time with her, while trying to process my 'what if's'. i am by no means cured yet but i catch the what ifs now, and i set them aside to deal with later instead of trying to always do two things at once. 
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dealing with what was hiding underneath the anxiety

Hi Davit,
 
Thanks for this. I am goingto meet with someone new soon who I hope will help and further encourage me to process these emotions. I see what you mean about determining whether the emotions are based on a false reason or not. Over the last few years I've had lots of bad emotional reactions based on false reasons. This past month felt different because I am grieving the loss of some relationships in my life that I havn't fully grieved. I think counseling will help with that. I can see that my anxiety makes me defer my ability to work through my grief. I also did not learn how to grieve in the past so its something new for me to do in terms of a skill. 
 
 


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dealing with what was hiding underneath the anxiety

Hi  ThinkingMom,
 
Learning about co-dependence really helped me to understand a lot about myself and why I was not in touch with my true feelings. I believe there is a reason why we become good at denying our true feelings, as you say, and for me, it has helped me to understand why this happened (re-frame past experiences) and grieve the loss of experiences I didn't get. I firmly believe it is important for parents to allow their children to develop without encouraging (or in my case demanding) that the child disassociate from their true selves. I say this because I now realize that as a child, I was in a family situation where I was forced to disassociate from myself in order to meet the needs of others. I feel very strongly about the importance of not doing this. Learning about co-dependence though was hard in itself because i found out that some of what i thought was 'me' is actually not, it was a reaction to a situation.
 
I should have asked for help with this from the start because going into all this alone is very very difficult. Like doing brain surgery on myself. impossible at times really.
 
Having someone who has enough insight and wisdom and who believes that I can get through this is very important to me. I don't always believe its going to get better. And I do trust people. I trust that Davit really believes people like me can be well again. even though the last itme i was truly truly 'well' was over 20 years ago. By "well" I mean, connected to myself, and able to live my life without being co-dependent. 

That's been my process and experience. I do not think all people necessarily have to delve into their past but for me it has been very important to do that. I am unfortunately now at a point where I am feeling the feelings I was not allowed to feel as a child. If that makes sense. I think that will make sense to others who can recall experiences where they felt sad or angry and were forced to be silent. In this way, I have encountered a need to grieve the childhood I didn't have. This is hard and has taken me by surprise. I've worked very hard to create a life for myself where I can have good memories instead of the past being something to always avoid thinking about.
 
A lot of my true feelings are negative ones, sadness and anger. I'm hopeful that some additional counseling will help me to resolve and ultimately accept that these experiences happened, and that I don't have to keep feeling the feelings they created over and over for the rest of my life. I will not be able to confront the people who made my childhood miserable. It is up to me to find closure without being able to yell at them even though I want to express my true feelings (mostly rage at this point that I was not nurtured and taken care of). Everyone here helps me feel encouraged that this closure for me can and will happen. 
 
When I say reframe, what I'm negotiating is a process where I went from believing that i grew up in a happy family (because i was consistently told that we had no problems) to reframing my memories to be more accurate to how I felt at the time and what I know I needed as a child, to the next step (which I am not at yet) where I reframe them yet again in my mind to accept that no, i did no grow up in a happy family and no, i did not get what i needed in order to be emotionally healthy but yes, i can move on and have a better life now. Lately i've been so upset at not getting what i needed as a child its pulled me down a lot.
 
Davit I am glad you keep reminding me to have patience. I am trying to rush a very important and complex process. Its as if I'm a surgeon trying to do a major brain surgery in an hour! Processes take time. I'm often rushing. 

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dealing with what was hiding underneath the anxiety

I am going to try a new one out soon. Even though I feel a bit desperate for help at this point, Over the phone I let myself listen to her before I decided to make an appt. I want to try out her approach, but if it isn't working after a few sessions, I wont feel bad about trying someone else. This too is part of the process of becoming assertive and advocating for myself. I know I deserve a good therapist and I am lucky I live somewhere large enough there are many to choose from.  Thanks for the encouragement.
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Role Transitions

Ashley,
 
A good topic. I have a few things I have learned about stress. Some people divide up stressors as "normative" vs. "non-normative". For example, starting university is normative, dealing with a sibling getting arrested is not. The word "Normative" is used to label events that we can reasonably expect to occur as part of life (babies, marriage, graduation, normal illness such as flue etc..). This distinction is limited of course. Because a stressor is felt personally, one person may fall apart in transitioning to a new job whereas another person will not, so these categories don't mean much when we're looking at our own personal experiences. For me, the distinction has helped me to understand why some things that were "supposed" to make me feel stressed didn't, and vice versa. I have dealt with normative stressors quite well at times in my life. I"ve had so many non=normative stressors like having a friend pass away that normative stressors like a new job seem "small potatoes" to me. Its a sad fact perhaps that i've enjoyed having something that is normal to be stressed about - its made me feel good about my life to have normal stressors. I don't know if that makes sense.
 
 The only other thing I have to say about stress is that if you go through a period where you have a lot of stress that keeps coming and coming for months or perhaps even years, you get used to this level of stress. That is something to really consider. I have had a hard time adjusting to a life with fewer stressors. Sometimes I create some for myself so that I can go back to my comfort zone of having lots of stress. The ways of the human mind are fascinating. We also live in a culture that normalizes a fairly high level of stress in my opinion. I'm more cognizant of that now and remind myself I do not believe ultimately that life is about surviving one stressful period after another.
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dealing with what was hiding underneath the anxiety

Thanks Helena. 
 
Instead of just calling to make an appt. I called 2 counselors offices and asked to speak to the counselor for a few minutes so I could get a sense of their way of talking. i sort of know what i want in a counselor at this point. I feel good about trying one out and if they dont work, moving on to the next one. I hope i find someone i click with. 
 
thanks for the support everyone. all this emotional stuff is hard to wade through but i do believe i can let go of it one day and know i felt it (finally) and can move on. feeling it is hard, and i want to do more of the feeling with someone with me instead of alone so they can help pull me out. i suppose my exposure work is exposure to feeling anger, sadness, without running away from them or suppressing them or distraction.
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Negative verses Positive

Red,
 
Repeat to yourself "this is their belief / thought not mine" over and over. I don't mean to sound simplistic about it. I have had people tell me negative things about myself and gone home and wondered if they were right. Its important to perceive other people as just that, other people.
 
I am working on chanting to myself "its them, not me" as long as it takes before I believe it. then i won't have to chant it anymore maybe. just my 2 cents.  however, i do often choose to steer away from overly negative people more and more because i can only put so much energy into dealing with them before i feel depleted and annoyed with myself (and them).its hard to suffer someone else's negativity. its hard not to let it bother me sometimes especially if i want this person to make me feel good. then its really an uphill battle of reminding myself i am whole, and this person is just a person, flawed and all, and i have a right to a positive set of beliefs about myself.
 
All of Davits posts about beliefs have helped me a lot! 
 
i was listening to someone on youtube video today talk about getting set back. their advice was to consider the possibility it is impossible not to get 'set back' sometimes. we are only human. getting set back is frustrating (i can get infuriated by it at time) but it does not mean that any of your progress was undone.
 
when we truly believe our positive thought, it will be much harder for someone else to knock it down. there are things someone could say about me that might cause me pause, but there are things i know about myself, and if someone says differently, i would be hurt, but i would return to my positive belief in time (it might take minutes, days or weeks or years but i'll get back there). 
 
 I now believe i was once a child who knew i was lovable and good. i am not an innocent child anymore. i struggle to always feel lovable and good these days but some days i do and those days can never be 'undone'. from this perspective, i am able to better deal with 'setbacks'. i hope that helps. it was good of you to post this so everyone can give their perspective on this. 
 
 
best wishes as you work through this. feeling like we've been set back is tough.