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15 years ago 0 823 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Hi Marisa,   Members have offered many insightful and meaningful perspectives from their own personal experiences. I am certain it helps to know that you are not alone in your thoughts.   Genejockey's beliefs on owning your panic attacks is empowering. It is how you perceive something that eventually dictates your reaction to it.   During your downtime, can you do activities that would still engage your brain but not make you feel stressed out? Like watching funny movies, doing crosswords or puzzles, even colouring or painting?   Next time you go to the store, consider picking up herbal teas that have passion flower, chamomile and/or valerian. Many of the calming teas do help to tranquilize the nervous system.   Keep us posted and good luck!     Faryal, Health Educator
15 years ago 0 187 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0

Welcome Marisa

I feel the same way as you do about our place in this cosmos. It is very confusing. I have had those exact same feelings before. I am an agnostic or at least I think that I am  I would dearly like to believe in some greater power that is looking over my shoulder but I just can't. I have my reasons. I do know that many people derive great peace and self-confidence by having a spiritual life but I also believe that happiness is possible without it. Some view the idea of death as total liberation because if you do not exist you cannot suffer. While it may seem terrifying to relinquish your consciousness you will not be aware of it- which in itself is blissful. I myself do not feel very confident about death and I had a similar experience as you when my mother developed heart failure. After that I began to worry about my own cardiac health because I have had hypertension for many years. 
This is where CBT is very helpful. When you critically analyse a thought like "my heart is beating very hard perhaps there is something wrong with it", you begin to nullify the thought and it slowly dissapears. I know what you mean about "downtime" being the hardest. When I am very busy I don't feel panicky at all. 
 
I think that partly what you are going through is the search for meaning and unless you have some parentally entrenched belief system I reckon most people undergo this. It just sucks that it comes with anxiety instead of just a burning desire for answers.
 
If you have panic disorder- remember one critical thing- PD is the fear of panic attacks. Many people have panic attacks but they don't have PD. My own belief is that all behaviour that is an attempt to shut down the panic is not helpful. Relaxation techniques/homeopathic remedies or even benzodiazapenes are useful to prevent generalised anxiety but panic stems from the fear of fear so avoiding it just creates more anxiety. I think the best way to deal with panic attacks is to own them. To accept them. I know this is very difficult at first but when you can embrace the feeling of panic it will go away. Becoming densensitized to panic eventually makes it go away. The only way to recover from PD is to loose your fear of a PA. When I begin to feel panicky I tell myself "ok, you can handle this, it's not that bad". My own PAs have become further and further apart but critically they don't scare me as much as they used to and they never reach the same intensity as before I began embracing them.
 
Just my 2 cents worth...
 
Give the program a shot. I think most people have found it very helpful.
 
 

 

  

 

15 years ago 0 313 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Hi Marisa...
 
Welcome!!  I too agree, it sounds like you've got a pretty good handle on what's going on and are taking the empowered path.. LOVE it... 
 
One thing you mentioned and I'm just cutting and pasting it...
 
"So fear of death, my own mortality, is my biggest problem.  I question whether my life is even real, and if it is I worry about our collective insignificance as life forms in this immense universe.  I feel calm while writing this, but lately I find it difficult to read about or watch tv about anything relating to human evolution or the environmental fate of our planet or such things.  For a little while I was able to watch only game shows, as they were trivial and didn't hint at any "grand" ideas, but then the triviality of it started to scare me.  That is, how can somebody care so much about winning a vacation or picking the perfect outfit to wear on tv when it all really doesn't matter in the long run, and does anything really matter?"
 
I can relate to this sooo much!!  I've had panic disorder / ocd (obsessions) since I was 19 and I'm almost 35... MANY years of nothing mixed in... thankfully... but I have thought about this a BILLION times..often late at night..just as I'm about to fall asleep...or in the midst of a large bout of panic... *sigh*... So nice to know we're not alone in these thoughts.  Actually I now believe everyone thinks about those things it's just that for us with our "quirks" process it differently and not only do we think about it we actually physically feel these thoughts... through all of our panic symptoms...ie. disassociative state...
 
As for breaking it... I usually start to focus on a part of my body... like wiggling my toes... my hands... and working my way through a bit of progressive relaxation so that my mind is only focused on that ONE thing instead of the state.. or I do something a bit zany like do sit ups or something physical that changes my "state"..if that makes any sense...
 
Anyways keep us posted...
 
Dazed
 
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Welcome to the board, Marisa!
 
From a personal experience, the program here helps you to understand the panic attacks and anxiety, and ways for you to "balance the scales".  Sounds like you're doing great at handling this anxiety stuff already, though! 
 
Feel free to post here whenever, like Faryal said, there are many people here who can understand, support, and give advice.
 
Cheers!
15 years ago 0 9 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0

Thank you Faryal for your kind words.  I have actually been thinking about finding a naturopathic dr. for some time now.  Haven't had a chance though, as we thought we were moving but then the sale of our house fell through.  But now that I know we're staying in the neighborhood I should really start looking. 

I actually had a pretty good few hours just now.  Had to go buy groceries so my husband and boys could eat something, and some bland things my own stomach might be able to handle, and picked up some Rescue Remedy while out.  I saw lots of different calming teas I thought I might try but I could not decide which one might be more effective than another (for instance to help keep my mind calm in the evenings).  No panic at the store though, and we were out of the house for some time.  It seems that I can function all right as long as I keep my mind focused on "busy work," not too much actual decision-making, and as long as I don't drift off thinking about anything too existential/philosophical.  The harder parts of the day are trying to relax while the kids are napping, and then in the evenings after they're in bed.  The downtime makes it too easy for my mind to wander into scary places.

I will start reading and working through the program and see how it goes.  Thanks again for your support.

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Hi Marisa,   Welcome to our support centre...........you have reached a place where there is a wealth of encouragement, support, advice and assistance. I am glad you decided to post and thank you for inviting us into your fears in order to help you cope.   Your issues and fear of death, particularly your own mortality are totally understandable. I am sure many of us, including myself have contemplated and pondered over this concept at some point in our lives.  Although it is a natural process, it most certainly seems very perplexing that everything we work towards and all of our accomplishments will eventually result in an ending. You say that you are not a religious or spiritual person.............I actually gather that you are more spiritual than you realize given nature of your consciousness and the concepts you question. This is a good thing in my opinion..........perhaps an avenue for you to explore in how you are connected to this universe and to what you believe is your purpose.   With respect to your other fears, I do believe Bach's Rescue Remedy is an effective remedy and worth the try. You should keep a small bottle of it in your purse always so that you can reach for it whenever needed.........also placing a few drops in a bottle of water and sipping that throughout the day works well also.   Please review the program Marisa as well as the tools and resources available to you. I believe you will benefit from this program as long as you are determined and keep at it. You will learn a lot about yourself as well.   Finally I would encourage you to get some basic blood work done through your GP to rule out any other health concerns. You may need to ask around through friends and family for recommendations on a good doctor since you don't have one............seeing a naturopathic doctor is also a good idea ( ofcourse I am biased!).   Good luck and post often to let us know how you are doing!     Faryal, Health Educator
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Hi all, I've just discovered this site and forum, and have spent the last couple of days perusing some of the threads.  I am relatively new to the whole panic/anxiety thing (I have not yet seen a dr. or been diagnosed), but I've only just realized that my feelings are not going to go away by themselves.  I am sure this is going to get very long, but I would like to tell my story.
 
My first serious panic attack ever happened just over two months ago, and although I felt tinges of anxiety since then I'd only had one other serious one... until three nights ago.  Like with the first one, I thought I was about to die, felt like I could imagine what the moment of death really felt like, nauseous and dizzy and feeling like my life was entirely illusion.  My husband of over 8 years, who is no stranger to panic attacks (he has long since learned how to deal with them on his own, from adolescence, and can now cope brilliantly), was and is instrumental in making me feel sane and grounded.  Since my big freakout a few nights ago, I have spent the last few days in a dissociated state.  I have occasions here and there where I feel "clear" and normal for some minutes at a time, and last night I even felt ok for a couple of hours.  But the blurry feeling is nearly constant and I feel nauseous and starving at the same time.  I am unable to eat more than a couple of bites of anything (it took me three hours to finish a slice of toast yesterday morning), and I'm sure my lack of nutrition isn't helping any.
 
I do think I understand the source of my problem.  The first attack a couple of months ago was preceded by a visit to my mother in the hospital.  She was diagnosed with late-stage ovarian cancer about two and a half years ago, and all of a sudden the reality of death (not just hers, but my own) seemed to wash over me.  I must make clear that I am not a religious or spiritual person, and I have a hard time coping with the thought that my consciousness, my being, will end.  Although this strong panic reaction is relatively new to me, I remember as a child (age 5 or 6?) feeling worried about death and of course my parents helped to reassure me that death was a natural process that happened to everybody and that it was nothing to be afraid of and that I wouldn't feel anything.  But then as I wondered at the concept of nothingness, my mother suggested that it was probably a lot like before I was born (i.e., I didn't feel anything then either, as I didn't exist yet).  An interesting notion, as I reflect on it now, but it does not help control the fear.
 
So fear of death, my own mortality, is my biggest problem.  I question whether my life is even real, and if it is I worry about our collective insignificance as life forms in this immense universe.  I feel calm while writing this, but lately I find it difficult to read about or watch tv about anything relating to human evolution or the environmental fate of our planet or such things.  For a little while I was able to watch only game shows, as they were trivial and didn't hint at any "grand" ideas, but then the triviality of it started to scare me.  That is, how can somebody care so much about winning a vacation or picking the perfect outfit to wear on tv when it all really doesn't matter in the long run, and does anything really matter?
 
This weekend has gone all right with my husband home from work to help me take care of basic household stuff and look after our two sons (ages 4 and 2).  But when I consider potentially driving my older son to preschool tomorrow (Monday) I have no confidence that I will be able to do it.  We went out for dinner last night as I was unable to cook, and I had a couple of mild attacks in the car and at the restaurant.  I have never been claustrophobic but that is what it felt like.  I am terrified of both being alone and darkness right now.  I have had to make my husband sleep out on the couch with me with the lights and tv on, although last night I was able to sleep in bed with a small night light.  I don't know what I am going to do tomorrow when I will have the kids and the house to myself all day.  I've considered something like Bach's Rescue Remedy or some similar herbal things just to take the edge off until I can learn some real coping techniques.  Anyone had success with such things?
 
I have not yet started the 12-week program on this site, as I keep thinking that I should just go see a doctor, but as it is Sunday there is nothing I can do about that until tomorrow anyway.  I absolutely do not want to go on drug therapy, although I am desperate for an immediate fix (as I'm sure everyone is).  I've tried deep breathing, changing my visual focus, going outside for fresh air, and although these things can help me ride out a panic attack, they do not prevent one.  Counting helped briefly, up to 100 and back down, until I started to contemplate numerical infinity, and then I started to panic again.  Also, I cannot shake the dissociative state.  I feel that if I could stop that feeling of distance from my own life, then the panic would not happen.  I wake up in the mornings now and feel blurry/cloudy and wonder how can I feel that way already and my day hasn't even started yet?  Has anyone else been able to break out of the dissociated state somehow and has it helped to avoid having a PA altogether?  Last night cuddling in bed with my boys and doing storytime before their bedtime really helped me feel good; that's where I was feeling well for a couple of hours.  But I need to be able to recreate that feeling on my own, anytime, while running errands or just being at home without another adult around.
 
Do you all feel that this program would be a good fit for me, or would you recommend some kind of medical intervention?  I've been reading a lot about CBT, but wonder if  I should also have a physical and get some blood tests or something done just to rule out any physiological reasons for this happening.  I don't have a regular doctor aside from my ob/gyn, so I'm at a loss as to what kind of doctor I should even try looking for to begin with.  I don't want someone telling me it's just stress over my mom's illness and that I'll get over it and send me on my way.  I also don't want someone training to become desensitized to the feeling.  I want the feeling to stop.
 
Ok I guess that's it for now, I'm sorry this was so long but you all seem like such kind people from what I've been reading here that I'm sure you'll understand.
Thanks,
Marisa

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