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8 years ago 0 154 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
For some reason, part of my earlier post did not appear.

Here is the remainder of my rather long-winded post from two down from this one:

So, for anyone who is at the end of their rope or has hit rock bottom or lower, know for a fact that I am living proof that there is a real genuine supernatural force greater than any human being on this earth, our (not just mine, yours as well) Heavenly Father.

If you need someone to talk to, speak with Him privately one-on-one.  Share your fears, your hurt, your weaknesses, your desire to be a better person and anything else that comes to your mind and heart.  There are no magical words or prayers you need to recite, no specific place you need to go, no specific time you need to speak with Him, and no intellectual words you need to use.  And you certainly do not need anyone's permission to do so. 

Speak with Him as you would a very good friend, one who has always had your back in good and bad times regardless.  Someone whom you deeply respect, revere and look up to...there must be at least one that comes to mind, even if that person is no longer with us in the flesh. Except in this case, you are speaking with your Heavenly Father.

Use your own words, and speak with Him as often as you want to.  He is not far away in the uppermost stratosphere. He already dwells within you.  Now that is close.  And He is not so busy, that He doesn't have the time, and I mean all the time you need, to listen to you and provide you with His counsel.  He is not like us humans, restricted by time and space...He is a Spirit.  Now, lest I be misunderstood, He will not necessarily respond to you with audible words you can hear, but I promise you that He will work in wondrous and magnificent ways you and I never thought possible.

He may allow you to experience a specific life incident, which you may view as positive or negative.  He may even bring a person into your life for a short period or perhaps longer who you know or perhaps a perfect stranger.  He might use words voiced by someone on the radio or television or Facebook or other social media.  It  might be an article or other written text you are reading, or a thousand other ways and possibilities! 

I promise that when you do choose to speak with Him, either quietly in your thoughts or even openly, He will not use a spell-check or dictionary or other instrument to judge your correct use of vocabulary or grammar.  I thought I'd throw in a bit of humor.  Suffice it to say, He does not care one bit about how you speak or if you make mistakes or whatever.

He is much more interested in the relationship you are beginning to build with Him on a daily basis.

And in the timeless words of Forrest Gump (I really like that guy, so humble, so innocent, so not like many people who are full of, well I won't say but you can probably figure it out), "That's all I got to say about that."

8 years ago 0 1562 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Great, David. For some like you and Eckhart Tolle there has been some deep permanent shift under intense pain and suffering. But for some, like me, we have to work at it. But once you reach that spot, its way better than before. The daily struggle is not there anymore. Exactly like the promises says so, for the past 10 years the obsession as been lifted and never came back. That shift happened about 6 months into my recovery. Dis-identification with the mind happened few months later. We talk about the powerlessness and un-manageability to educate the new-comers. The workshop we put-together is to educate the new comers. We have been given the power to help countless who wish to receive it. But the alcoholic, because of his/her recalcitrant nature, is not always ready to ask for help. Thats the nature of the beast. 
8 years ago 0 154 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Hi Foxman, nice to hear from you.  I've been away from this forum for quite some time, but I am so glad to be back. 
 
Hopefully, I can provide a few words of support and encouragement which may help someone. And God willing, I hope to do just that.
 
I feel that perhaps a bit of history about my own battles is in order, and perhaps is appropriate. 
 
I used to feel the same way as many people on this forum, especially for about the past 5 to 6 years.  I was severely depressed, had sky-high anxiety levels (full blown anxiety attacks were common place) and just didn't feel like I had any purpose to live.  In my diseased and alcoholic mind, I sincerely thought that no one really cared one way or another about me, including my immediate family, and that I was probably better off dead.  So I drank and drank and drank some more, of course with my medication for depression and anxiety, which is not a smart thing to do.
 
I even tried committing suicide by taking about 60-70 pills, a combination of painkillers, anxiety medicine and Tylenol extra strength.  But, it was not my time and by the grace of God i did not die or suffer any long-term effects from my actions. 
 
Then, about 8 months ago I hit rock bottom.  When I say "rock bottom", I mean that even if I could blow up the rocks at this bottom, I was even lower than that.  I decided that if pills didn't do the job, then I would do something more drastic and final.  I intentionally drove my vehicle at about 50 to 60 miles per hour, without a seat belt, into a solid brick wall.  Needless, to say I suffered many life-threatening injuries. I should have died.  But, once again, God in His infinite grace and compassion, did not take me away that night. He had and still has a purpose for me being here on planet earth.
 
Fast forward to today, and the past 6 months. Aside from the physical, emotional and spiritual scars I still carry, and the knowledge and remorse I carry because of the hurt I caused my loved ones because of my actions on 11 October, 2015, I am a different person altogether, with a new outlook on life and a purpose. For example, when I was at rock bottom, it was not unusual for me to sleep 12 to 14 hours a day, which is basically more than half my life. Now I sleep at best 6 to 7 hours...that's all I need.  Sometimes, I might lie down on the couch for 15-20 minutes to recharge, but that's it.
 
I write this from the deepest recesses of my heart and soul, because a person who comes so close to dying, has no time to mince words or BS or try to prove anything to anyone.
 
I have written a book which is now with my publisher and is in the production stage. In a million years, I never ever thought such an accomplishment was possible. If all goes well, on-line and hard-copies of my finished book should be available by November 2016. 
 
Why do I mention this?  Well, it isn't to brag or show off.  On the contrary, it is to tell you and anyone else who may be reading this post that the inspiration and words (well of course I used my own vocabulary, grammar, sources etc.) came from our Heavenly Father.  That is the absolute truth.  I have absolutely no motive or reason to lie.  So all the credit and gratitude goes to Him.  My life (meaning I did not die, when my physical injuries were so severe that I should have) and my book (which I would never have written in a million years without His grace and help) are all His doing.
 
So, for anyone who is at the end of their rope or has hit rock bottom or lower, know for a fact that I am living proof that there is a real genuine
8 years ago 0 1562 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
I have not since found the need to drink.

Yep, Thats the 10th step promises, such a powerful one!

And we have ceased fighting anything or anyone, even alcohol. For by this time sanity will have returned. 
We will seldom be interested in liquor. If tempted, we recoil from it as from a hot flame. 
We react sanely and normally, and we will find that this has happened automatically. 
We will see that our new attitude toward liquor has been given us without any thought or effort on our part. 
It just comes! That is the miracle of it. We are not fighting it, neither are we avoiding temptation. 
We feel as though we had been placed in a position of neutrality safe and protected. 
We have not even sworn off. Instead, the problem has been removed. It does not exist for us.  

Yep, it just comes!!!!! Thank you AA.
8 years ago 0 1562 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
I love this story. After several reads and with other peoples help I could see the insanity. How this guy even though he knew what alcoholism is and what it could do to him and his family, but couldn't stay stopped.

He gets drunk 1/2 a dozen times.
He comes back to work on Tuesday pissed. Irritated that he once owned this concern (Resentments). 
Then he goes to the country to find prospects in a bar.
Orders sandwich-still no thought of drink.
But suddenly-Here is the key, the peculiar mental twist. He couldn't see the consequences.
Takes the first drink, then the craving kicks in.
8 years ago 0 110 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Your story reminds me of good ol' Jim, D1...

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Yet he got drunk again. We asked him to tell us exactly how it happened. This is his story: "I came to work on Tuesday morning. I remember I felt irritated that I had to be a salesman for a concern I once owned. I had a few words with the boss, but nothing serious. Then I decided to drive into the country and see one of my prospects for a car. On the way I felt hungry so I stopped at a roadside place where they have a bar. I had no intention of drinking. I just thought I would get a sandwich. I also had the notion that I might find a customer for a car at this place, which was familiar for I had been going to it for years. I had eaten there many times during the months I was sober. I sat down at a table and ordered a sandwich and a glass of milk. Still no thought of drinking. I ordered another sandwich and decided to have another glass of milk.

"Suddenly the thought crossed my mind that if I were to put an ounce of whiskey in my milk it couldn't hurt me on a full stomach. I ordered a whiskey and poured it into the milk. I vaguely sensed I was not being any too smart, but felt reassured as I was taking the whiskey on a full stomach. The experiment went so well that I ordered another whiskey and poured it into more milk. That didn't seem to bother me so I tried another."

Thus started one more journey to the asylum for Jim. Here was the threat of commitment, the loss of family and position, to say nothing of that intense mental and physical suffering which drinking always caused him. He had much knowledge about himself as an alcoholic. Yet all reasons for not drinking were easily pushed aside in favor of the foolish idea that he could take whiskey if only he mixed it with milk!

Whatever the precise definition of the word may be, we call this plain insanity. How can such a lack of proportion, of the ability to think straight, be called anything else?

You may think this an extreme case. To us it is not far-fetched, for this kind of thinking has been characteristic of every single one of us. We have sometimes reflected more than Jim did upon the consequences. But there was always the curious mental phenomenon that parallel with our sound reasoning there inevitably ran some insanely trivial excuse for taking the first drink. Our sound reasoning failed to hold us in check. The insane idea won out. Next day we would ask ourselves, in all earnestness and sincerity, how it could have happened.

-Alcoholics Anonymous, p. 36, 37

8 years ago 0 69 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
My relapse story (for the purpose of your research) was after two years of sobriety thinking one Christmas that I would like to partake in a drink or two, confident I had it under control by now,  and that drinking moderately would be easy, that day I did drink moderately.  

Days later I was having a drink with my wife, and here is the dumb part, I thought that pouring a stronger drink would slow my drinking down, I could not just gulp it to quick  and pour another, that's about the highlights of my relapse that I can remember now, this was quite a few years ago, I continued to drink and continued to drink harder in cycles, with the usual failed attempts to quit mixed in there, and if you call those relapses,  they would be filed under- hang over regret never drinking again to two days later I can control my drinking.
8 years ago 0 113 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
I love the idea of this thread!  I have been there, wanting to withdraw after having a drink again, for sure!!!! 
8 years ago 0 1009 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Hi Foxman,

I've heard the same type of stories from my friends who are part AA fellowship and this example is one that deeply concerns me. A resentment is a by-product and outcome of an event, and how it perceived by the individual. Not dealing with them and coming to terms with these negative beliefs leaves them unresolved. If this individual had 30 years to address it and chose not to then it validates the fact we NEED to undertake an honest self-exploration and come to terms with them. I understand that this is part of the 12-step process however perhaps professional therapy, as in one-on-one with a psychiatrist would be beneficial as well? 30 years of programming your brain with the idea one will completely self-destruct and die becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy because it becomes hard-wired into the sub-conscious. Your example here proves that. It seems to be a common theme with Old-timers in the program. Only speaking for myself, if I repeatedly tell my myself "If I do this then this will happen for sure" I can pretty much guarantee it will happen. It's like saying "Don't crash!" as you go out on to the race track in a car or motorcycle. Don't be surprised when you crash. 

Don't take this the wrong way or as a slam against the program of AA. We really need to be careful with the seeds we plant into our minds. Say something long enough and connect it to emotion and it permeates the subconscious and the subconscious makes no distinction between what's real and what's not. Attach the statement "I am...." and we define ourselves with that reality. It's completely natural and it's the way our brain\ mind are wired. It's the root of our self-image and belief system. Thank goodness for neuro-plasticity and our ability to re-progam ourselves.

All the bet,

Dave848


8 years ago 0 1562 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
"after a few months just don't give into temptation".

Unfortunately alcoholics give in. Thats the peculiar mental twist that the alcoholic has developed around the 1st drink. Thats the insanity. I saw a guy with 30 years throw the sobriety away and quickly died. Looking back I could see, slowly slowly resentments started creeping back. Missed a few meetings here and there, stopped working with people altogether, will come in late and leave early and they told me he gotten into street fights and lost all his front row teeth in a brawl. Eventually he died somewhere in phoenix, took almost a month to organize money and bring the body back to GA. They say Resentments is the one killer of the alcoholics and drug addicts and thats why they suggest that we keep in fit spiritual condition. It means lot of things. Mainly avoid arguments. 
 

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