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Well ladies I'm afraid to say that I did not maintain my control last night and I'm getting really tired of doing good for a few days then going overboard for one day.  I'm still not sure that complete abstinence is right for me, but for today, I'm not having any alcohol, and Im going to live by the old adage.....One Day at a Time.  I feel ok not drinking anything today, but I expect that tomorrow will be a bit harder, and so it will be for days and days to come should I choose to abstain for any length of time.  I do want to abstain for a longer period of time and I hope that I can do it, I just don't know how long I want to be free from alcohol.  I want to get rid of the few excess lbs I've gained in the past month or so, and maybe that will be my motivation to abstain.  When I stopped drinking for 6 days, I lost 2 lbs and that felt great.  I haven't gained it back, but I want to lose more.  I also want to just dry out for a while and feel human again.  Im starting to obsess about the fact that drinking is a real problem for me and I hate that it controls me in this way. I'm  constantly thinking of ways to overcome my dependence and just be a "normal" drinker again.  I literally think about it most of the day and it's consuming me.  The only real answer for now is to try to be sober for a while and see where it takes me....one day at a time.  
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Great experiment...I do remember hearing that your BAC rises for a few hours after you drink before going down again. Keep checking yourself and keep us posted. I had a good night last evening drinking ice tea at the bar. No problem. I did break down today and had a vodka and cranberry. It tasted good and I debated going out for a bottle of wine but got back on track. I thought this would be getting easier...not so. I want to try and make it another week before trying just 2 drinks and hopefully just on the weekend when I go out...Hang in there every one and hope you are having a great weekend...
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Hi Turquoise....I feel pretty good.  I had a day off yesterday and I got a lot accomplished. My work week ended with me even further behind in my regular duties, thanks to this project.  Today I had to put in a couple hours on my laptop to catch up on the workload but at least i was able to do it when I felt like doing it.  I had a nice evening with my daughter, my husband had to work nights.  I drank wine and although I had one glass more than my 3 glass limit, I feel ok about it because usually on a Friday night I drink way too much and I made myself stop at 4 glasses.  I had my first glass at 5:30 isn't and my last one around 9:30 so I think I did ok.  

I you had a 20 oz bottle of beer that's really not bad.  A single bottle is 12 oz so you really oly had about two beer if you also had half of another.  Good for you, that shows your ability to control and the breathalyzer seems to be a great tool.  

How is your weekend going?  It is cloudy here today and a bit drizzly, but still very hot and humid.  I hope to take my daughter to a beach tomorrow and just relax in the sun for the day.  I need a break.  Today I'll do work and tomorrow I'll do nothing....lol.yeah right.
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Hi Turquoise,
 
Very interested self-study.  It's certainly an eye-opener to realize that despite not thinking you feel the effects of the alcohol, that it can still be quite high in your system.
 
How does this influence your strategy or desire to cut back or abstain from alcohol?

Vincenza, Health Educator
11 years ago 0 409 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Camiol, you sound good. Everything still within comfortable limits? How did your work week end up?

I had a stressful morning/afternoon, but a really nice evening. Full honesty, ladies.... I ended up having one 20 oz pint of strong beer (which I just looked up and was probably the alcohol equivalent of three standard drinks -- properly earned, no less) over the course of an hour and a half. I monitored myself from beginning to end. I was out with my husband and my cousin, and we actually all had fun measuring our BACs as we progressed through beer and a pizza. Here are the details, for anyone who is interested.

Halfway through my pint (and before any pizza) I stopped drinking for about ten minutes, then measured myself at .05. At this point I was feeling pretty darn nice. When I finished my beer in just under an hour and a half, still feeling good and before any pizza, I measured myself again at .07. No surprises here. I stopped drinking and ate some pizza and started feeling more back to normal. Starting to sober up and ready for another beer? I decided I was going to share one more beer with my cousin, but decided to measure my BAC one more time. Shock -  it came out at .08 even though the buzz had mostly worn off! That really surprised me, and stopped me in my tracks. I had agreed to be the designated driver, and .08 is just over the legal limit here. So I decided to drink water instead. By the time we left, I was back down to .05, and still feeling pretty nice. I just measured my BAC two minutes ago, 2 hours after finishing my last sip of beer, and it measured .027. 

Overall a successful experiment, I would say. It is one that I will happily repeat the next time we go out. I hope that sooner rather than later I will be able to monitor myself without the breathalyzer, but for now it seems like an essential tool for me. I plan to go without drinking at all for several days now, before I experiment again. I definitely don't want the daily blind habit to come back. Oh -- and I decided that I really do like red wine better than beer, even if the beer is Old Foghorn. Why waste my calories and alcohol on beer, when I can have a gorgeous glass of cabernet instead? My next experiment will be on red wine.

And now I'm very sleepy. Bonne nuit, and I hope you all have a great Saturday.
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Happy Friday everyone.  Wow it seems like a long time since I've chimed in, but it's only been since yesterday morning.  Im on a vacation day today and enjoying every minute of it.  It's scorching hot and I love this weather.  

Turquoise I'd love to hear more about the studies on the initial "buzz".  I know exactly how it feels and I feel it through my first drink, after that it progresses to feeling tipsy and then drunk if I continue to drink.  That buzz is what makes it so hard to quit, and the thought of living the rest of my life without alcohol is scary.  I have had drinks every night this week, but I can also say I haven't gotten drunk, and that makes me feel good.  I enjoy that glass of wine or mixed drink while I'm cooking dinner and I enjoy a drink while sitting on my deck.  I am striving to control my drinking and not let it get out of hand like I did in the past.  So far so good.  Is tonight the night youre going to try having another glass of wine?  

Marylizy if you can get through the concert without a drink, you are a very strong woman.  I'll be anxious to hear how you do.  Well I'm off to pick up my daughter at summer camp.  Enjoy your Friday.


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Hi Turquoise,
 
That's a great question but I am not aware any studies like this. Let us know what you find out if you decide to research further.

Ashley, Health Educator
11 years ago 0 409 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
The research is interesting. As I learn more about alcoholism, I'm realizing that moderation vs. abstinence is a very sticky subject. Of course, moderation in ANYTHING seems to be difficult for humans. People have lots of opinions about alcoholism, mostly following the AA "the only way to resolve your drinking problem is to become abstinent." And yet, research shows that for the great majority of people who are uncomfortable about their drinking levels, abstinence has a worse long-term success track record than moderation. That's one of the reasons that I love this forum and this site; it's okay to explore both options without any kind of judgment.

A related thing that I'm finding is that "the buzz" is one of those things that people are REALLY uncomfortable talking about. Since it's blatant self-gratification, most people are super squeamish about it. If you admit you love that buzz and seek it out, then you must be an alcoholic. I would be willing to bet that "the buzz" is a major reason a lot of people become alcoholics, and also the major reason that they're not willing to become abstinent. Yet since they aren't encouraged (or - heaven forbid! - taught) how to master "the buzz", they never learn moderation unless they figure it out for themselves. You can only maintain the perfect euphoria when you're within healthy BAC limits, but I don't think most alcoholics know that. I certainly didn't know it. If you drink too much, you lose your buzz and can't get it back for at least 24 hours or maybe more. You just get drunk, and that's where the problems really start.

So here's a question for the Health Educators on this site: Do you know of any studies using biofeedback based on maintaining that euphoria through a healthy BAC? I would be very interested in learning more about this.
11 years ago 0 325 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Wow, looks like you have been doing some research Turquoise...Good stuff. I myself have tried cutting back and it does work for a short while but it does not take long to slip back into 5 or 6 instead of 2 or 3...especially alone at home, I do better at the bar since I usually am driving. I know my whole life, social and just in general, is lived around alcohol. Whether it is the beer after mowing the lawn, the glass of wine while cooking dinner, the wine with and after dinner, meeting friends for happy hour, come on over for a drink, all seems to be the same. Alcohol is the link. So now it is 9 days sober and I am going to my local hangout tomorrow to listen to a blues concert....already told my friends I am not drinking so I have set my plan in motion. I just need to see how I handle this and then it will get easier,,,,I HOPE,,,but I never said I will never drink again. Right now I need to show myself I can do this. Moderation may not be for me but at this moment it is not even an option. I am going one day at a time and would like to go a month sober...but I am not going to set myself up for failure so say again 1 day at a time...Think I am rambling on now...thanks for the chance to ramble...
11 years ago 0 409 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0

Here is some interesting information about trying moderation vs. abstinence. There are so many resources out there, including this site!

Research into moderate or "controlled" drinking (for a woman, no more than 3 per day and 9 per week) has shown that this strategy can be successful for people who have not yet developed a pervasive pattern of alcohol abuse, or who have experienced few negative consequences from drinking. You're also more likely to succeed if you're young, female, employed, have reasonable social support, and are confident about limiting intake. The principle behind moderate drinking is to set goals and limits before crossing the line into dependence. But the research is clear: Moderation is unlikely to be successful for people whose pattern of drinking fits the definition of alcoholism. For example, one study followed drinkers' for three to eight years after taking a course of behavioral self-control training. This therapy is designed to teach moderate drinking behavior. The researchers found that as severity of dependence increased, the likelihood that subjects could reduce their drinking to moderate levels, and keep it there, went down dramatically. Thus, for the most dependent drinkers, abstinence may be the only option.

Although moderate drinking may not work for someone with significant alcohol dependence, it may be useful for introducing the notion of change. Many people are ambivalent about giving up alcohol, even though dependence may be straining their relationships or jeopardizing their jobs. The sad reality is that alcohol has become so integral to their lives that they can't imagine what life would be like without it. On the upside, someone who expresses a desire to drink in a more controlled way is indicating a willingness to confront the problem. Attempts to moderate drinking are certainly worth trying as a first step. First of all, it might work. And if it doesn't work, it can help a person understand how difficult moderation is. By paying close attention to the experience, he or she may come to appreciate exactly how drinking reinforces the impulse to drink. Moderation may also be a way to practice changing drinking behavior.


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