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I hate myself!


10 years ago 0 3 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
I do not feel I hate myself. That is a very strong term for me. I do however, feel unworthy and guilty for letting my family down. My mom died 2 years ago and I have not stopped grieving. I do not know what happened to me. I worked for 38 years in the health field and in the past 2 years, downhill. I feel very down on myself, but if I added hate, I would feel like I had to come farther up the hill to feel better. I am not even sure what I am writing makes sense. I had a very bad attack yesterday and changing medication. I could not get myself out of the position I was in. I look forward to feeling better. I need to get better. Hello to all.
10 years ago 0 6252 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Kama
I think I gave you too much information all at once. It is overwhelming. In the end you will if you truly want to be free use it all but for now, coping and relaxation skills are enough. We don't want you getting scared. My Therapist says this is all foreign to almost every one and so different that they say how can this be. She is a smart lady so I took her word for it and spent a lot of time proving it was true. It makes sense now but at the time it didn't because I wanted to fix things my way instead of the right way. I'm still me, I didn't change, just my way of thinking.

Feel free to question anything. She left me that option and it was a good option. You can not know what is right if you don't know what is wrong.

Davit
10 years ago 0 21 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
WOW Davit!!!! where do I start???? So much of what you said makes sense and a lot to digest!!!! Yes I can identify with a lot of what you said!!!! I have a LOT of work ahead of me!!! (Deep sigh!!!) It feels so overwhelming!!!! Again, I thank you for you time, effort and input! It is so valuable!!! Thank you!!!! I'm struggling quite a bit, right now, with medication changes, family issues, the prospect of having Christmas on my own, trying to be there for others; helping and supporting them (which is something that does give me a sense of worth and value!). I am SO tired and finding it incredibly difficult to wake up and get out of bed. 2 issues there- one physical; tiredness, the other psychological; "I just can't bare to face another day!!!!" The self hatred is so entrenched. A thought of something I've said or done "wrong" comes to mind and my stomach churns and I literally say out loud "I hate myself", "You idiot!", etc, etc... It can sometimes take a strong conscious effort not to hit myself (AND NO I'm not a violent person!!! I faint at the sight of violence!) There is so much that makes no sense to me... why I panic (be sick, etc) packing to go somewhere I enjoy! Why I hate myself! Why I have a perfectionist attitude! (to name just a few!) I'm quite teary atm. take care Davit! Cheers! K
10 years ago 0 6252 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Kama

Perfectionism is an attitude and you can have more than one attitude. You probably think of perfectionists as people who have to have every thing just so in it's place. This is a combination of two attitudes, the need for everything to be in it's place. A good Idea. And the need for it to be in the exact spot, overdoing the Idea. In it's extreme case it becomes OCD.
But you can combine the attitude perfection with the core belief that you are not good enough and the two lead you to another attitude. The attitude that since you need to be perfect but past experience has shown you seldom if ever can be then it is not worth doing because it will never be right. In extreme cases the core belief will lie to you and your work is more than adequate and often perfect but you still think there is room for improvement. Combine this with another belief that the world is imperfect and there is room for improvement around you and throw in agoraphobia and you have a combination that leads you to do nothing while still having the need to do something about it because of the perfectionism.
So lets say hypothetically that this combination has built a core belief that is stopping you from doing what you need to do because in this case you are not in a want to phase or you would go ahead and do it. Assuming also that agoraphobia is a fear of not having control over surrounding situations you then have to change the attitudes and core beliefs. 
When I asked who you were competing with I was looking for the root of a core belief and hoping you would spot it. Core beliefs are usually built on a situation out of the past that gives you a rule to follow in the present and when planning the future. Some are very damaging. Such as being told over and over that some one is better than you, or that you don't try hard enough. You don't try as hard as X, X is better than you. Why can't you be as good as X or Y or Z. These seemingly innocent comments when a child is growing or when an adult is vulnerable (in love) or impressionable build core beliefs. False turns into true in your mind only. This then is a negative core belief. But true can stay true and this is a positive core belief, but still a core belief. Maybe it is true that you are not as good as X. So what. But the core belief won't let you say so what. It is still important to be better than you are in your mind even if you have reached the point of good enough or even perfect. The core belief is going to tell you there is room for improvement. Well maybe there is, but for now good enough is good enough. Better to do something not perfect than to wait till you can do something perfect. There is no perfect. Our ideas change with input to our memory so perfect changes too. 
So now we need a reason to not hate yourself and to do that you have to get rid of the perfectionism and replace it with pride. Another attitude this thing called pride. Pride in a job well done. Never perfect, get rid of that word. There will be times in the future when you say "this is perfect" but you want to see that through prides eyes. Change the perfectionism attitude to an attitude of pride and all the pieces will fall into place. 
This is CBT, changing thought patterns. Simple in principle but hard in practice because you still have the core belief to overcome.
So yes you have a perfectionist attitude but it is the other invisible attitudes and core beliefs that dictate what you do with it.

Davit.

love the avatar.
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Wow Davit, that is interesting! British Columbia Canada! I think that makes where I live 18 hours in front of you? Ha-ha! That's funny-weird! I'm almost a day in front of you. So I'm finishing up my Thursday and your just starting yours! :) Now to the serious stuff... Every therapist, counsellor, outreach worker etc I have met says I am a "Perfectionist" or have "Perfectionism traits"! But, I don't get that! It always surprises me! For example, if you saw the state of my house there is NO way you could possibly associate perfection with me!!!! You said "Nothing is good enough or ever will be." This DEFINITELY rings alarms for me!!!!!! That is when it relates to me and what I do. Not how I view others at all!!! I rarely am able to meet my own expectations. I have no idea who I am competing with or when it started. It could be something only I will ever see. So maybe I'm competing with myself??? Lots of food for thought!!! Hmmmm!!!!!!
10 years ago 0 6252 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Kama

We joke in BC that it stands for bring cash. It is expensive here. It is for British Columbia Canada and the time zone is the last before the ocean. The Atlantic is four hours ahead of us and England is eight.

I have been in hospital up to six months at a time and have logged well over two years of accumulated time. Good thing I'm not paying for it. It is in the past and doesn't count. I've spent time in five different hospitals. But that is the hand I was dealt and I made the best of it.

In my opinion based on the fact that I do this and so do others. The reason you don't do the things you like to do is because you would then need to outdo them. Not doing them gives you an excuse. It is perfectionism. Nothing is good enough or ever will be. Which in turn means you aren't either, so what is the sense in trying. This is a negative core belief and a destructive one. Some questions to consider,who are you competing with and when did this start? Is there someone you feel you need to be like, but can't or don't really want to be. A lot of core beliefs are subconscious, affecting us but not being obvious enough to see. These can be hard to change till they are obvious.

Some times my Therapist had to repeat things a lot before I understood because a lot of it was so foreign. Don't be afraid to ask.

Davit
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Kama, I just want to say choose a path which can help to regain your confidence.I myself is a big sufferer of anxiety.I lost my job & earned money due to anxiety & depression.At present I am in big loss;yet there is a HOPE;I CAN.For 4 months I closed myself in dark room & isolated myself from external activities.But I gained nothing except more losses. I took a step & re joined a job of very low profile & salary.Yet I have an HOPE & I am really making sincere efforts to reach my aim. So don't loose your hopes.Talk with your good friends as you do it in your post.You will feel better when you speak.Speaking will create more better to you as compared to writing. rohit131
10 years ago 0 21 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Ok Davit, I don't know what BC stands for except (before Christ!)and no idea what pacific time zone is!!! Isn't it funny how we can live own worlds (countries, lives) and be so ignorant to the world of others? or maybe that's just me? At first when I got ill i considered a long time away from work a week. I thought to be ill, a long time was a year. Now too many years later, I consider the amount of time I've been ill too long to admit to myself let alone anyone else. You may be right Davit, I do focus on what I do wrong. I figure, I'm not hard enough on myself or I would be better. Yeh, you're right I have little faith in myself, now. There are so many things I really want to do. I just don't understand why I don't do them. Davit, I understand some of what you have said, but not all of it. I will try to understand more. Thank you Davit!!!
10 years ago 0 6252 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Kama

I am in northern BC so in the pacific time zone. 

What do you consider so long. I spent years, but I was the worst case my therapist has ever seen, I was also dependent on Ativan and had been on it for four years. I was a very sick puppy. Two years into therapy we switched to information because I no longer needed help. Some of this information was scary, some was an eye opener. Three years after not needing help anymore I am still learning. The point is that a cure can take as little as a few weeks to years. Especially if you have no faith in yourself. What will it take to get you to believe strong enough to quit sabotaging yourself and just do it. I know this sounds cruel on my part but it is an honest question because CBT works, but it is only information, you have to do it and you have to want to and you have to believe it will work. What can I say that will convince you that you can get better, because I believe you can. I really do. 
One thing I will tell you that you are doing wrong in my opinion and I'm sure I'm right within the parameters of CBT is that you are concentrating on what you are doing wrong instead of what you are doing right. The longer you think negative the longer you take to correct the thoughts. 
You can start right now by liking yourself enough to help yourself. Do not think negative, even if you sleep all day, even if the house is filthy. Pick at it a little at a time as you want to. And if you don't want to then don't. Who cares, I don't. All I care about is you thinking positive and having faith in yourself. But do not do anything unless you want to. Forcing yourself will just make you worse.

Davit.

Telling me you "have to" tells me you have a negative core belief.  End of lecture.
10 years ago 0 21 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Thank you Davit, Red, Hugs4u and Ashley for your support and kind words. I wish I had these to read last Thursday when I was in a very dark space. I'm guessing you are in another country with a different time zone?!?
When anything happens that is not so good, I often feel so much self-hate! I guess I really hate the position I am in; having PTSD and all that goes with it. I feel like I am just existing and not living. I'm losing hope of ever getting better, it has been so long now!!! I must be doing something wrong, as that person, who was going to take me to the dentist said I should be much better now with having counselling, etc. Not in a position where nearly every time I go to leave the house I be sick or get an upset tummy for hours.
Of course there is a lot I am doing wrong, like not walking, doing house work, gardening, studying, etc etc etc. But I don't know why I don't do these things. I don't know why I just waste time sleeping or staring into space. So much time wasted. So much of my life gone. I recognise I'm feeling sorry for myself. I feel trapped and I don't know how to get out of this body that just won't do what I want it to do. So much frustration, pain and sadness
Thanks for your time and energy. I do very much appreciate it!

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