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13 years ago 0 356 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Hi.

I just just just joined here. but your post where you say you don't eat much with the attacks is what i experience as well. my appetite totally dissapears as soon as i feel distressed and it becomes hard to ensure i've eaten enough by the end of the day on a bad day. what works is to eat anything i crave even if its not healthy (i.e. french fries) until my stomach is back to more normal. and bland foods that are easy to digest - i eat lots of crackers to get through. but of course, tehre are no nutrients in those. so i've found these great little things they are called emergenc-c (as in vitamin c) packets of powder with lots of vitamin c and electrolytes which (i find) helps me prevent feeling dizzy from lack of food. 

i thought i would mention those. also crystallized ginger can be easy to nibble on and settles the stomach a bit. hope that helps. i feel for you. i feel faint giving blood and cannot watch the needle at all. i breathe a lot during before and after.
13 years ago 0 356 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Lack of Direction

Hi again Teebs,
 
I am really loving reading the forum entries here and reading so much from real people that resonates with my experiences.
Anyways, I too was a workaholic and work was a place where i could excel without being bothered by anxiety most of the time - i think i am really good at what i do but i suspect i could be even better if my anxiety was more well managed by me. Work was where my focus could go into feeling productive whereas relationships and things outside of work felt frustrating, upsetting, anxiety inducing etc..
 
anyways, for the first time ever, i have reduced my paid work specifically to take care of myself. i am working only part time right now. and boy is the transition hard! so when i read  your post here i was like "me too!" 
 
some days i feel i am 'getting it' as in, figuring out how to live without focusing on paid work all the itme. other days i flounder. its been about a month. i have about 10 hours of work a week i do from home. a routine found me after a couple weeks, i do the dishes once a day now which is new instead of not having a routine to housework. i took up quilting because as my counsellor says, i can't just focus on journaling and reading and working on myself actively all the time.
do you find an automatic feeling of guilt when you do those self care things (bath, yoga, walks, etc...). i know i struggle with that. i met a new friend recently and she treats herself without feeling so bad about it and that helps me to see her do that. i come from a very "catholic martyr" family. one where no one ever used the bubble bath they got for xmas sort of thing....as if there's some magic day that will come around that will be worthy of the bubble bath thats collected dust for 10 years. literally. i am taking a stand against that sort of life. its great seeing other people here determinied to take care of themselves. i love being here.
 

 
 
 

13 years ago 0 356 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
The three components of panic and anxiety

My body reacts mostly with my stomach. I lose my appetite and start to feel nauseous. When i was in my teens and early 20s and dating, i spent a number of dates in the washroom throwing up! not a pretty sight. that doesn't happen as much anymore.
 
My thoughts are really racing and panicky. I feel really alone. This has come on stronger since i stopped seeing my parents 2 years ago even thought they are still alive I choose not to interact with them at all. What i have read about fear of abandonment matches up with the sorts of negative thoughts i have during an attack and at other times. 
 
My behaviours have become more anger based i'm dissapointed to say. On the one hand, i feel that there is anger inside me that is coming out for the first time ever as it was not expressed when it should have been. I repressed it. So my panic attacks get me in touch with my anger, but because i have not been with a safe person during these attacks the person with me (my partner) thinks i am angry at him and he sometimes gets angry right back. and you can imagine what it is like when someone is angry with you during a panic attack. This is what has compelled me to come to this site and commit to the 12 week program. I don't want to live and carry around anxeity or anger anymore. 30 plus years is enough. but it is taking more than i thought it would. 2 years ago, i naively assumed that ending contact with family members who were not there for me emotionally would do the trick. prior to that i thought getting a university degree would do it. and so on...

 post ended up a bit off topic, but i thought i would mention the anger since it is triggered during an attack and i definitely want to learn how to deal with that. 
13 years ago 0 356 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
How To Make Friends

I'm glad you posted this topic. I'm intrested to see the posts here. I hope people keep replying to this one and add to this discussion about friends, making friends seems to get tougher as we get older. I keep looking forward to being in a retirement home when i can finally be with "my people" because my favorite hobbies are kntting and quilting!! :)
 (sometimes i think i was born 100 years too late..)
 
This past spring i went to a spinning retreat (spinning wool, not those things you do at Shapes exercise centres) and learned that spinners (at least this bunch I met) were fabulously relaxed and content and joyful people to be around (mostly women with a few men). So you just never know, if you can check out groups (i was a knitter but us knitters we're allowed to hang with the spinners as they sort of provide our drug of choice...wool!). tee hee. 
 
 hope you find what you seek.
13 years ago 0 356 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
The three components of panic and anxiety

The difference between assertive and aggressive only clicked for me a few months ago. That was an important insight. I never understood why sometimes my tone of voice made people think i was angry with them. What i thought i was doing was being assertive but i see now i've been aggressive in the way i say things.  Saying Hurrey up! in  a really angry exasperated voice. This happens of course when I've already started to feel anxious. That much i've realized lately. 
 
 

13 years ago 0 356 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Social Anxiety

I am SO glad you posted this. I feel like i could have written some of it about myself verbatim.
 
I joined a few days ago, a lot is clicking for me quite quickly right now, espeically as I read through these forum posts. 
 
As i sat down to see if i could articulate what it is that I panic about, because its sort of unclear to me since its not something such as driving or going to public places, i realise it is related to rejection. When i feel that any part of me is being rejected by someone, i can end up having an attack. Even if they are not actually rejecting me it feels like it. I want relationships, but I am scared of them. I have one friend who emailed me to hang out later but last week she said she is moving away and i'm mad at her for that - which i know is irrational. but she's making me deal with yet another loss and rejection by moving, after us getting to know each other better and better over the last year. i have no words to explain this to her. i may avoid her until she moves away now. Someone else emailed me earlier this week and wanted to hang out but i have been asking them to talk to me about something serious for a while now and they actually put in the email, lets hang out but i don't want to talk about that stuff you emailed about before. So i didnt go out with them at all. I totally avoided it because that email was already a rejection.
 
So i am starting to put the pieces together. i avoid situations that might make me feel distressing emotions, and my anxiety ramps up as i realize I am starting to feel something I won't be able to handle, because feeling rejected makes me think a lot of those negative thoughts that were described in the session 1 pages. 
 
no wonder i've been struggling. Trying to prevent feeling any more loss or rejection (i feel i've endured enough) is an impossible way to go throgh life. When I was 20, making new friends happened pretty regularly, but now that i'm older, and i've made a total of 3 friends this year, and one moves away, i'm devastated. i'm actually convinced making new friends is futile. Over the years Ive become more convinced that loss is an inevitable result of getting into a relationship. I can "prove" this is true by pointing to people i've lost in the last 10 years , the list is long. but that doesn't help me look forward with optimism. so its time to uproot this stuff.  i know this program is going to help me slay those dragons as Shari put it. Thanks for posting.

13 years ago 0 356 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Negative Core Beliefs - Examples

I am going to jump in here with my perspective on this, especially this helpful "orange and apple analogy (or simile, i didn't take english lit)  :)
 
I too have mostly felt different from other people but not known why. Some of it was my interests were different from people around me, maturity levels were different, and other traits that make people interesting and themselves.
 
But one thing i've noticed in the last few months is that when I'm feeling "centered" or content (i.e. the panic and anxiety is temporarily parked away) and i am relating to others, I can often reflect after and say that we had an exchange where we were both the same (maybe both oranges for example, in that we 'got' each other and had a good time convversing). When I am not consumed or distracted by anxiety, worry and rumination, I am a good person: I am funny (i think), open, understanding, interested in what others say, helpful and sociable. Others who are in that 'zone' relate back to me in that way and we have a nice time of it together. Whether this is a 1 minute interaction at the grocery store with teh clerk, or a nice evening out with a few people at a craft meeting. My mood definitely determines whether I'll be able to relate or connect to others who are feeling content or not. If i am having anxious thoughts, ruminating, starting to feel anxious about how others are percieving me or what i'm saying, then I don't tend to come home and feel i've had good connections. In a group of say 10 women at a craft meeting, a couple will be in a content mood (or else why would they come) and a few will be maybe a bit tired or frazzled and a few may be really distracted by their own inner self talk and feeling agitated that their needs are not being met. How I experience my nigth with such a group depends pretty much completely on what mood and attitude I have and level of mindfulness I bring to the table so to speak.
 
There have been entire years where I've been agitated and anxious the entire time while out with people and no wonder I didn't hit it off with anyone during those times really, except for other dysfunctional or codependent people. I am starting to really see this now. When I'm calm, I more easily "see" the people around me who are feeling anxious themselves, and I (codependent) used to try to rush in to help them (not a good tactic until i have more skills). I am starting to breathe through it and let people feel what they feel instead of trying to rescue them from their own inner struggles when I was not invited in to do so. 
 
Without getting preachy I just wanted to pipe in and say, sometimes people are just not available for us to engage with despite our desire to do so, despite having things in common with them, despite maybe even their desire to do so. I will try to remember my own advice here as I work through my own fear of rejection. Interpreted one way, i see an apple as a content person. Some days I feel like an apple and the world is an apple orchard, other days, not so much. I spent several years being deeply suspicious of people who seemed balanced and content most of the time. I thought it was an act. perhaps for some people it is, but i think there are people who really are content and balanced. I laugh when i think back to one friend i had briefly who called me "her together friend". She 'bought' the show i put on around her. she had no idea what was really going on behind the curtain. i of course had no idea of any of this at the time, that was over 10 years ago.
 
If that makes any sense...
I don't know if this matches up much with what Davit was originally alluding to with the apple and orange images ,but our different interpretations are what make these concepts richer in the end i think.
13 years ago 0 356 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Great Site

Hello,
 
I just read through the "understanding grief and loss" pages today and it described someone i know with depression pretty accurately. it may or may not resonate with you but it is worth reading through in case it does help. 

13 years ago 0 356 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Helpful Questions For Challenging Your Anxious Thoughts

Thanks for posting this.
 
I have to post here this AM to really stop myself from responding anxiously to an email i got from someone yesterday that is causing me some anxiety this AM. In their e-mail said they would do something that I asked them to do, and that they have said is important to them to do - but this AM I am starting to have negative thoughts about it "they probably won't follow through" "they won't be honest and tell me they are not going to follow through" "they don't realise it is important to me" "I'm not important to them" "they are not an honest person" "i shouldnt be friends with them" "if they don't follow through, i will have to re-evaluate our entire friendship". 
 
 I've read over and over now that this program is going to help me address those negative thoughts and help me prevent panic attacks. In the meantime though, I know I will encounter these sorts of things with people in my life that are raising my core issues with trust. I am tempted to tell everyone to stop saying anything to me until I am done this program. That seems extreme though and they will probably misunderstand and wonder what I am talking about since without an explanation of what their words do to me right now, it may not make sense.
 
Over andover I have "solved" these problems by trying to control the person or do the thing for them so I can prevent myself from the feelings that come from them not following through or doing what I want them to do. I don't want to do that today. My anxiety really wants me to leap in and do it that way though.
 
At least I've realized that I tend not to ask people for help because its harder to feel dissapointed when they don't follow through than to just do it myself without their help. This will help me to develop assertiveness I think. 
 
Any thoughts or advice or words of encouragement? 


13 years ago 0 356 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
The three components of panic and anxiety

Trying to breathe. I had to send an assertive response to someone just now and feel really agitated, anxious that it is going to escalate, that they will respond in a way that will upset me and cause more distress.
 
Being assertive is definintely an issue for me. I do'nt feel good when I have to do it. I want that to improve, for sure. I wish i could hit pause so i could figure this out before having to practice it but that is not necessarily how life works.